Romance Spoiler Review Lovers discussion

OK, so I figured that I'm supposed to create a new discussion on the discussion board for the event. Duh. Anyhow, I liked the book. I gave it 4 stars. I know Kate did too. Not sure how you felt about it, Noreen. You've been playing your cards close to your vest. LOL EB, I know you didn't care for it much and gave it 2 1/2 stars. BTW your review here on GR has 4 stars, just so you know.

Hey, I found you! Off to a good start. ;) I wasn't actually playing my cards close...I posted my review a while ago. Just realized the only reason I only see EB's reviews is because I have her as a friend. Would it be okay to have you and Kate as friends too?

I gave it two stars. Way too many typos and felt the H and h became drama queens as though they were present day teens.

Noreen wrote: "Hey, I found you! Off to a good start. ;) I wasn't actually playing my cards close...I posted my review a while ago. Just realized the only reason I only see EB's reviews is because I have her a..."

Haha Of course you can add us as friends. LOL Yes, the book definitely had a lot of dramatic moments, I'll give you that. And the typos were numerous. Overall I liked it a lot, but there were moments when I thought it was a bit juvenile.

Ok I found you. I did like it but I had a real problem with him crying all the time. I certainly understood the breakdown when he came home and found his wife and daughter dead and his son missing. After that he was crying over everything. I wanted to slap him.

This is especially true when they get to the point where they've agreed to have a future together. Them trying to get the brother and sister together brought to mind Shakespeare's TAMING OF THE SHREW. I'm not sure why, it just did. The sister, of course, was the shrew, although she wasn't really, just outspoken. The h too was definitely dramatic and cried at the drop of a hat. LOL

kate wrote: "Ok I found you. I did like it but I had a real problem with him crying all the time. I certainly understood the breakdown when he came home and found his wife and daughter dead and his son missin..."

Haha the crying was a bit much, but I felt like he was so terrified of losing another loved one that he couldn't help it. I don't mind a crying male at all...so long as he can carry his own in a fight, and there's no denying that Keir could do that. I was a bit annoyed with the h for being upset when he was slow to commit in the beginning. And by slow I mean what the hell, they were in love within a week!!

I also didn't like her using "Spanish Jennet" for the horse the knight was riding. A Jennet is a female donkey, a genet is a small Spanish horse...which I don't think would be feasible to carry a knight in armor. If you are going to add an old term to your book I believe it would be nice if you actually had a clue to what it meant. lol

I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a teenager. That say it all in the tears department.

Noreen wrote: "I also didn't like her using "Spanish Jennet" for the horse the knight was riding. A Jennet is a female donkey, a genet is a small Spanish horse...which I don't think would be feasible to carry a ..."

OK, miss Bluestocking! I actually missed that one. Same way I missed the pate of the head thing. ROTFL

I admit it was dramatic and there were moments I found juvenile. But for some reason, I really liked it. Even with all the errors, and OMG! There are a lot of errors!!!

Where's EB? I hope she's ok. I know she wasn't feeling so well yesterday. I'm a bit better today, but really this darn cold is just plain annoying!

kate wrote: "I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a teenager. That say it all in the ..."

Yes, I think she was 18, might even have been 17. Remember Keir's overlord's wife was only 14. Her parents were going to allow her to live with him when she turned 15, which was considered an appropriate age for a bride. I know our h was older, but she couldn't have been much older.

kate wrote: "I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a teenager. That say it all in the ..."

God what a morning. I grew impatient with this one and if you read my review it was with the father and the h that were the worst of it for me. The H was awesome and his crying was obvious to me and didn't bother me.

RF, I know what you mean about a man crying and I don't have a problem with that but it was overdone for my tastes. The theatrics of how his soul would be ripped apart if he had to be away from her were over the top for me too.

Kate, lol I loved the title of your review! Cry Me A River! roflmao

Elizabeth wrote: "kate wrote: "I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a teenager. That say i..."

I know you LOVED Keir, equating him to Chris H. OMG! I didn't even think about it, but yes the description was a close one to Thor. LOL Good morning, BTW.

Elizabeth wrote: "kate wrote: "I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a teenager. That say i..."

I thought the father hesitating to marry the two after he knew they had already butted uglies was ridiculous. Anyone knowing that she was used would not want her and to keep it secret wpuld end badly and his claim is was only for her own good was not right. What if she became pregnant?

Did anyone else have a problem with her fathers' objection to there marriage. A maiden had more value. What that ship had sailed. Virginity was a big deal. In the Holding ny Claudia Dain when th H finds out the bride is not a virgin he considers annulling the marriage. When his friends find out they can't understand why he doesn't. Besides that as keir said a widow with property would have a definite edge

I too hated the father. He was a weakling and a coward. I thought the mother was funny. Her with the constant needlework, even while under siege. Yes, I LOVED Keir. The h was ok, but a little weak IMO. I agree with Kate. She started out so strong, but then went downhill fast. But really, she was probably pretty typical for a gently reared female in those times. They kept them very sheltered. Then of course, there is her young age.

Reading Fanatic wrote: "This is especially true when they get to the point where they've agreed to have a future together. Them trying to get the brother and sister together brought to mind Shakespeare's TAMING OF THE SH..."

I thought that was kinda weird. They were willing to throw his brother and her sister together and never mentioned they felt they would love each other. It was as though they felt the siblings should just do this for them so they could get married.

kate wrote: "I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a teenager. That say it all in the ..."

Yes, teen angst for sure! lol

kate wrote: "Did anyone else have a problem with her fathers' objection to there marriage. A maiden had more value. What that ship had sailed. Virginity was a big deal. In the Holding ny Claudia Dain when t..."

What really annoyed me about that scene is OMG...did anybody consider the possibility that she might be pregnant???!!! What then? Then she'd be an unwed mother which was a MAJOR no no. I thought that whole situation was stupid. Her father should've been shoving her down the aisle, NOT objecting to the marriage! If Keir had died and she was pregnant, her life would've have been over!

Elizabeth wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "kate wrote: "I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a tee..."

I said the same thing about the pregnancy, EB. That was stupid!

Reading Fanatic wrote: "Noreen wrote: "I also didn't like her using "Spanish Jennet" for the horse the knight was riding. A Jennet is a female donkey, a genet is a small Spanish horse...which I don't think would be feasi..."

lol, I just hate it when I think I know a word and it doesn't make sense in the story. I have to stop and look it up and then I have to bitch and moan about it to myself for awhile. hahahaha

kate wrote: "Did anyone else have a problem with her fathers' objection to there marriage. A maiden had more value. What that ship had sailed. Virginity was a big deal. In the Holding ny Claudia Dain when t..."

Oh sorry. Good morning Ladies! Yes Kate I had a problem and thought that it was dumb. It went back to the idea because of her beauty he could use her to beni\efit him if needed. But he says it is for your own good.

Noreen wrote: "Reading Fanatic wrote: "This is especially true when they get to the point where they've agreed to have a future together. Them trying to get the brother and sister together brought to mind Shakes..."

Uh huh, that part of the story was a bit juvenile, with the giggling and all. I felt like it was out of place with the rest of the book, where everything had been so serious and sad. Then voila they're giggling like a gaggle of school kids. I think they knew at that point that there was a strong connection between their siblings, so they decided to push them together.

Elizabeth wrote: "kate wrote: "I gave the h some leeway. Though for an h who started out tough and strong sh went downhill fast. I don't remember it said what age she was but I was assuming a teenager. That say i..."

Glad you made it EB. I know the father of the h was annoying to the point I wanted someone to run him through just to get rid of him. lol

Reading Fanatic wrote: "I too hated the father. He was a weakling and a coward. I thought the mother was funny. Her with the constant needlework, even while under siege. Yes, I LOVED Keir. The h was ok, but a little ..."

I liked the h in the beginning she had spunk but then became a watering pot.

Elizabeth wrote: "kate wrote: "Did anyone else have a problem with her fathers' objection to there marriage. A maiden had more value. What that ship had sailed. Virginity was a big deal. In the Holding ny Claudi..."

That was a little contradictory too because he had promised both girls that they would have a say in who they married. I think the father was just weak and stupid...especially stupid! I like the way the mother took over. Even though she was a strange character, don't you think? I wanted to run the father through myself. LOL

What I liked about the book was he was able to look to the future and try to find happiness. I also liked that they both had good relations with their siblings.

But I realize that men crying is probably my number one pet peeve. Followed closely by women passing as men. Even Ellen has a hard time with that. It's my upbringing and age I guess. I'm from the Bronx . If a guy had tear ducts they were removed at his circumcision.

Reading Fanatic wrote: "I admit it was dramatic and there were moments I found juvenile. But for some reason, I really liked it. Even with all the errors, and OMG! There are a lot of errors!!!"

I really like the story line. If the typos were gone and the H and h just a little less dramatic, I would have given it 5 stars. I have read other books where I just fell in love with one of the characters and ignored all the typos, etc. This one just never let me get involved long enough.

Reading Fanatic wrote: "kate wrote: "Did anyone else have a problem with her fathers' objection to there marriage. A maiden had more value. What that ship had sailed. Virginity was a big deal. In the Holding ny Claudi..."

Not only would marrying Keir solve her missing maidenhead but it would have stopped Ingilby from his constant persuit and if it didn't at least it would have made better sense than to leave unwed

The more we discuss this book the more I wonder why I gave it four stars! LOL It had a lot of problems, to be sure. I guess I just liked it a lot for some reason. There's no accounting for taste is there? I mean a book I think I'll love, I'll hate and vice versa.

Elizabeth wrote: "Reading Fanatic wrote: "I too hated the father. He was a weakling and a coward. I thought the mother was funny. Her with the constant needlework, even while under siege. Yes, I LOVED Keir. The..."

LOL, Yes...loved her smashing their fingers and then trying to gouge out his eyes. She was bound and determined to protect herself and her family.

Noreen wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "Reading Fanatic wrote: "I too hated the father. He was a weakling and a coward. I thought the mother was funny. Her with the constant needlework, even while under siege. Yes, ..."

And the crazy mother, just sitting there doing her needlework. LOL

kate wrote: "What I liked about the book was he was able to look to the future and try to find happiness. I also liked that they both had good relations with their siblings.

But I realize that men crying is..."

Hahahahahaha THAT is TOO FUNNY, Kate! What's the procedure called, a ductism? ROTFL

Yes i liked the story line also. I think I'm starting to get used to typos. I'm happy if the writers remember to keep the names straight.

kate wrote: "What I liked about the book was he was able to look to the future and try to find happiness. I also liked that they both had good relations with their siblings.

But I realize that men crying is..."

roflmao Love the tear ducts comment, Kate. I did like that about him being able to move on and that they both actually liked their brother/sister. I did feel that the quickness of him going from totally devastated over his loss to totally in love again was faster than it should have been. He went from not wanting to ever get involved with another woman to being in love again within a week...

Elizabeth wrote: "Reading Fanatic wrote: "kate wrote: "Did anyone else have a problem with her fathers' objection to there marriage. A maiden had more value. What that ship had sailed. Virginity was a big deal. ..."

I think we can all agree that that part of the story was just plain STUPID!!!! Not to mention dishonorable on the part of the father. But, what was up with the h screaming at her father like that? That's where her teen years really showed themselves. It was high drama. I personally, would've gotten a priest and went off and quietly gotten married. Surely the mother would have stood in as a witness. Or maybe that wasn't possible?

Reading Fanatic wrote: "The more we discuss this book the more I wonder why I gave it four stars! LOL It had a lot of problems, to be sure. I guess I just liked it a lot for some reason. There's no accounting for tast..."

You know what RF I liked the romance when he confessed his feelings to her. I loved that he had to explore the feelings he had. I also thought it realistic that she was upset. I loved that she saw the spirit of his gaughter but all of these things missed becuse the author left things get stretched out too long. I could have guessed that they wouldn't get married because her father seemed to have a sick obsession with her. His oldest daughter it was like she was an after thought. It made no sense.

Elizabeth wrote: "Reading Fanatic wrote: "The more we discuss this book the more I wonder why I gave it four stars! LOL It had a lot of problems, to be sure. I guess I just liked it a lot for some reason. There'..."

I think her parents were so taken by the fact that she was so beautiful. Remember what the mother said to her Keir, about her beauty and the fact that she could have any man she wanted in England? It's almost as if she were putting the other daughter down, without actually putting her down. Does that make sense?

kate wrote: "Yes i liked the story line also. I think I'm starting to get used to typos. I'm happy if the writers remember to keep the names straight."

That's so sad, but so true, Kate. I've certainly lowered my standards with regards to grammatical errors since I've started reading e-books. I read a book recently and was astonished because I couldn't remember seeing a SINGLE error! Amazing that! In this book, although there were a lot of obvious errors, I was able to read around them, so I just went with it.

I agree about the father. It was just too weird that he knew they had slept together and still didn't want them to marry in case he died at war. Her value was compromised and he would have to literally trick another man into marrying her. Most fathers in that time period would have been holding a sword to Keir and demanding he marry his daughter immediately.

I too loved the fact that Keir cried and felt things so deeply. I could totally understand his fear. It's not as if his wife had just DIED. She was MURDERED and in a most horrific way. I mean the man found her partially burned corpse and that of his daughter. The poor thing. I could understand him never wanting to go through anything even remotely close to that again. And it was obvious that he loved the h more than he did his wife, who he had grown to love after they were married. It must've compounded his fear something fierce!

I had to question a villain who was attacking the sister of the king. I know the king was putting out a lot of fires but wasn't there a possibility he might have put his sister on the to do list.

Reading Fanatic wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "Reading Fanatic wrote: "kate wrote: "Did anyone else have a problem with her fathers' objection to there marriage. A maiden had more value. What that ship had sailed. Virginity..."

I think you are right, RF. The mother was the witness for their marriage when it did happen...so why couldn't she have done it before. Amazed how she stood up to them at the end but not in the beginning.

Noreen wrote: "I agree about the father. It was just too weird that he knew they had slept together and still didn't want them to marry in case he died at war. Her value was compromised and he would have to lit..."

Exactly, Noreen! And that's what made no sense in the matter. IMO, since the mother was so forceful, she should've put her foot down more firmly. Like I keep saying, what if she had turned up pregnant, and Keir was dead? What then?

I liked Mom. She could have lived in the Bronx.

kate wrote: "I had to question a villain who was attacking the sister of the king. I know the king was putting out a lot of fires but wasn't there a possibility he might have put his sister on the to do list."

Haha A "to do" list, Kate? You're a mess! For a minute there I was questioning whether or not the mother was legitimate? I confess I'm not too familiar with the monarchy of that time period. The way it was worded about her parentage, almost hinted that she was. Illegitimacy wasn't such a big deal back then if one's father acknowledged one. And being a king's daughter, even if a bastard, would've given her a lot of status.

Oh, crap. Unexpected company. Will try and catch up on here later. It's been fun!

Well I was thinking that even if the king didn't like his sister he might still take it as a personal affront. I wasn't sure of her status either. She seemed pretty proud for someone born on the wrong side of the sheets.