All About Me discussion

Throw out my prayer beads 'cos I sure as hell ain't going to Heaven

lol! ;)

Try and stop the war

Re-enact the Glass-Stegall Act, Vlockner Rule, Frank-Dodd act, and reverse the Citizens United ruling.

Require a license to reproduce.

Declare a National Holiday once a month.

I don't know I think by bring the men who are over back home

My first official act would be to ABOLISH COLUMBUS DAY AS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.

My second act would be to declare racist groups, regardless of color, to be domestic terrorists and declare "open hunting season" on them.

BlackStar103 {Death Is The Way Of Living} {Every Action Has A Consequence} wrote: "Ebbie wrote: "I don't know I think by bring the men who are over back home"

Back home from where?"

Wherever they are fighting as part of an unlawful US invasion force.

No...the father of genocide is God...after all it WAS God who destroyed all but a single family if you believe the story of Noah and the Flood... .

That said, if it WASN'T for Columbus there would be no dammed RATS or COCKROACHES in the Americas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBzoB... also explains another reason to abolish his holiday...the part where the actor playing Captain Kirk says something about "like India/or any place you actually/set sail for, you/spaghetti eating (BLEEP!)."

Create a friendship day once a year where everyone has to spend the day being as nice and helpful as they can be to others.

He started it and technically, there are STILL some in the US government who want to FINISh the genocide...i.e. anyone indebted to the Koch brothers. Re: the conversation about Christopher Columbus.

Share link, please!

BlackStar103 {Death Is The Way Of Living} {Every Action Has A Consequence} wrote: "No, I ACTUALLY have an article."

There's no online copy you can link us to?

Damn.

BlackStar103 {Death Is The Way Of Living} {Every Action Has A Consequence} wrote: "Aliens?"

Illegal immigrants but that's forgetting that illegal immigrants are NO different GEOGRAPHICALLY speaking than their legal counterparts because like their legal counterparts they come from the UK, Saudi Arabia, Oz, France, etc. and NOT JUST MEXICO!

BlackStar103 {Death Is The Way Of Living} {Every Action Has A Consequence} wrote: "I know they aren't just from Mexico, but why did you call it 'Aliens'?"


That was Jenna, not me.

And Jenna seems INCAPABLE of understanding that being bombed is EXACTLY WHAT ISIS WANTS!

Not really, no. I just know that terrorists want to be bombed so that they can scream that they are being unjustly persecuted. They are basically bullies writ large: the more attention you give them, the stronger they become.

I agree. If the media stopped broadcasting terrorist attacks, and other inhumane torture these groups are happy to display they could well lose their momentum because there wouldn't be the feeding frenzy that the media produces.

and the others!

I would also declare "open hunting season" an everyone, male or female, that practices physical, financial, mental or sexual abuse on their partners, their kids or their pets! And then I would say that everyone who kills a molester is eligible to be considered for a Congressional Medal of Honor, ESPECIALLY if the molester in question is a CLERIC; regardless of what religion the cleric is.

I'd then also say that they qualify for consideration for a SECOND Congressional Medal of Honor if the cleric in question is a CATHOLIC PRIEST!

Abuse is as much genetic as environmental, Aaron. Kill the abusers and eventually they won't be able to either pass their genes on or teach their accidental offspring how to abuse... .

This link is about abuse of a baby by an 11 year old: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-infa...

Aaron(Reblast) wrote: "Yes it is. Yet I was taught killing is wrong. So I differ with you on that account."

Ahhh...based on the "Thou Shalt NOT kill" part of the 10 Commandments, yes? In Hebrew there were two different meanings for the word that Christians translated as "kill."

One meaning was "accidentally end the life of" and the other was "deliberately end the life of... ." Christians either obviously didn't understand this or forgot that war is the deliberate ending of lives... .

Edward wrote: "Amber wrote: "Aaron(Reblast) wrote: "Yes it is. Yet I was taught killing is wrong. So I differ with you on that account."

Ahhh...based on the "Thou Shalt NOT kill" part of the 10 Commandments, yes..."

Please...EVERYONE has an agenda even newborns, though their agendas are relatively simple: drive Mommy and Daddy nuts by refusing to sleep and crying at random intervals every couple hours, thus depriving the parental units of sanity-inducing sleep!

Edward wrote: "Amber wrote: "I would also declare "open hunting season" an everyone, male or female, that practices physical, financial, mental or sexual abuse on their partners, their kids or their pets! And th..."

Exterminators or executors of human beings says and does something to those who approve of and perform it. Killing off people isn't the answer. *Open hunting season* doesn't work anyway becos vigilatism is illegal. The lions share of inmates on death row, die of old age there. What with appeals and other stalls, there are not that many executions carried out, which I think is good. Every person should have space to be redeemed, even if it doesn't happen. So this means larger and more prisons to build, more of your money to pay upkeep and guard salaries, etc. for this new wave of *those who should die*. Nah.

Amber wrote: "Abuse is as much genetic as environmental, Aaron. Kill the abusers and eventually they won't be able to either pass their genes on or teach their accidental offspring how to abuse... .

This link ..."

Not enough evidence to convince me that violent traits are passed on thru genetics. The survival instinct is in our blood anyway. We still have that reptilian brain in there. But murder to stop murder and abuse? Nope. It lowers one's humanity. How can we say we value life if we decide to kill as a resolution to social problem? It's doublethink. Evil called good because we see it as a *good* result.

The Torah *known as bible to most* seems very bloodthirsty with the death penalty for nearly everything. But there is more to this than face value. It was extremely difficult to prove a crime occurred because of the Jews very stringent evidence requirements. There had to be witnesses to it as it occurred, plus they have to be SURE the criminal KNEW what he/she was doing was wrong BEFORE he did it. Many other pretty impossible requirements. So the death penalty was almost never carried out. Eventually, becos they didn't want to execute an innocent man or woman and Jews care so much about sinning against God that the Sanhedrin abolished the death penalty. I'm not saying the state of Israel follows this, but as for the priests, what I said is how it is. So before we go all bloodthirsty to solve our social problems and say the bible says execution is okay, we need to remember that it rarely ever was carried out. The Romans had no problem with it, the pagans and neither do modern Christian pagans. It's in their lineage.

Yes, prisons become a state industry. They profit off it. They will just keep filling up and building more. Caging human beings is not a business. And how many cages do you want in your state? How about near your home? There have to be better solutions.

Yes and when any inmates are returned to society they are worse behaved than they were when they went in. This is good for society?

I just watched a travelogue on PBS about Sweden. They don't jail their drug users. Their idea is to make everyone as safe as possible. Syringes can be bought in vending machines, there are needle disposal containers at hand. They are offered treatment if they want it. They are encouraged to smoke pot as a substitute therapy for their drug addiction. The Swedes aren't goody goodies. THey're practical. If only the American mind was not so set on punitive action. A Christianized or Islamicised culture is based on the punitive.

Edward wrote: "Amber wrote: "Edward wrote: "Amber wrote: "Aaron(Reblast) wrote: "Yes it is. Yet I was taught killing is wrong. So I differ with you on that account."

Ahhh...based on the "Thou Shalt NOT kill" par..."

OK.

Wendy wrote: "Edward wrote: "Amber wrote: "I would also declare "open hunting season" an everyone, male or female, that practices physical, financial, mental or sexual abuse on their partners, their kids or thei..."

1st: You CANNOT redeem genetics. Abusers are genetically and environmentally predisposed to commit their crimes. By committing such acts, these "people" have FORFEITED their human rights AND their rights as US citizens.

Therefore by declaring "open hunting season," I am thereby SAVING money AND prison space because such actions would ELIMINATE the costly necessities of arrest, trial, conviction and sheltering them in prison while waiting for execution on death row.

2ndly: WHAT POSSIBLE THREAT WAS A BABY TO THE SURVIVAL OF AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL?! Your argument is irrelevant.

She was obviously taught by a parent that it's perfectly fricking ACCEPTABLE to beat babies to death... probably by a parent who was beaten by his or her father or mother who was then beaten by mommy or daddy... .

3rdly: Edward wrote: "Wendy wrote: "Edward wrote: "Amber wrote: "I would also declare "open hunting season" an everyone, male or female, that practices physical, financial, mental or sexual abuse on their partners, thei..."

Prisons would be better off having LOW populations and going back to total self sufficiency in food provisions.

Wendy again: Yes and when any inmates are returned to society they are worse behaved than they were when they went in. This is good for society?

Unless you give them an opportunity IN prison itself, like the foster dogs program, there is no such thing as rehabilitation in prison. You're better off PREVENTING crime altogether but doing so technically entails genetic removal of something that we as a species possess that is either God's SECOND GREATEST gift to us OR HIS WORST CURSE, depending on how we use it: Free Will... .

Wendy, about Sweden, I agree with you about the US culture being too damned punitive on drug crimes. The US should either make all non-prescription drugs, INCLUDING alcohol AND caffiene, illegal or make EVERYTHING legal as they do in Sweden. I think making everything legal would work better.... .

*Sorry for being so damn long winded, but I decided it was more practical to combine several individual replies and delete the separate ones in favor of one mega post. Not to mention easier for me to edit for removal of typos.*

Read the comments below this petition and you'll see what I mean about abuse... .

It doesn't matter if the abuse victim was still breathing, or as in this case, a cadaver: http://forcechange.com/138592/demand-...

Thanks, Aaron.

No doubt about the horrible things people do. I'm not sorry for the abuser/murderer, but I don't understand how compounding the crime by killing that person solves anything. You could say, well he's dead and will never do it again. That's a strong message to solve our problems by killing. It's no example to young people who already have caught on to how little adults value life. I'm not talking about abortion either, that isn't even a person. Young people see or experience the lack of value adults put on them and any other persons who are inconvenient to them. Shove them in prison or execute those we don't know how to deal with. If we don't treat the lowest more disgusting person with humanity, what does that say about our humanity. It says that our humanity is a matter of our whims and can be suspended.

Wendy wrote: "No doubt about the horrible things people do. I'm not sorry for the abuser/murderer, but I don't understand how compounding the crime by killing that person solves anything. You could say, well he..."


You prevent it from spreading through our species gene pool. As I said already, by committing such crimes they have already AUTOMATICALLY AND OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL GIVEN UP THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS AND US CIVIL RIGHTS because they aren't even ...animals. Abusers are a f****ing VIRUS! They are a disease that should be eradicated.

I don't remember, Edward... .

It's fine that you believe that when people do awful things it's the result of inheritance. It is true in a very broad sense in that, through evolution our ancestors were animals. There is no guarantee that the next generation of that offender will produce another offender. There is some evidence that some mental disorders progeny are predisposed to inherit it, but what would come of that? Sterilizing all mental patients *in case* they offend or euthenizing them *in case they offend?
Also you may be of the opinion that such offenders *have already automatically and of their own free will given up their human and civil rights*, but that is not true in our system of law. Every offender, no matter the crime retains basic human rights (except to their freedom, cannot vote, signing contracts, usually legal things if imprisoned). Everyone has a right to be treated with humane care and not abused. Otherwise we and our systems are no better than the abuser and we have proved by our actions that a human being does not have to be treated with kindness. If you ever read a prison's mission statement, it says nothing about punishment. The imprisonment levied by the court is the punishment. The prison must provide safe humane care of those under their charge. An inmate is only punished if he breaks prison rules. (lose privileges, gets put into solitary etc) And inmates do still retain their basic civil rights. What you are suggesting is what you want to happen, but is not that way in our system of law. The law is made to protect every human, even the worst one.
Another thing you mentioned that rather departs from your genetics theory is when you say *they are a disease* *a virus*. So do you actually mean by passing this on to their children or that other people imitate them?
As far as your statement that they *are not even animals*, I take it you mean they are worse than animals. I suggest that you have an unrealistic or uninformed view of animals. They do abuse each other and other species. I can give you incidents and descriptions I have witnessed, if you like, and I can because I have raised many different types of animals, as well as seen film of it occurring.
Such as rape, many animals either attempt it or carry it out. We brush it off as instinct. But since they are our ancestors, we have inherited those instincts and we can either revert to them or just have the recessive gene that expresses it or lack the gene that puts on the restraints.
I am not saying to reward abusers, but lowering myself to their behavior by solving a problem by killing is not a good lesson nor does it make me a more refined person for saying it should be done. Through evolution, it is not only already spread through our gene pool, it is from where our gene pool comes.

Amber wrote: Therefore by declaring "open hunting season," I am thereby SAVING money AND prison space because such actions would ELIMINATE the costly necessities of arrest, trial, conviction and sheltering them in prison while waiting for execution on death row.

Wendy - The point is that no one can *declare* this. Vigilantism is illegal. It would be considered murder if someone killed an offender outright. Also the public is not going to buy into this *wild west* type of private *justice*. Too many people have been lynched who were innocent. So the suggestion is impractical and unlikely to occur.

Amber- 2ndly: WHAT POSSIBLE THREAT WAS A BABY TO THE SURVIVAL OF AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL?! Your argument is irrelevant.

Wendy - no threat obviously. But it is well known that animals kill their young. Mother rabbits eat all their newborn, male cats kill kittens, mother lions and wild canines at the early stage keep the male away. He will often kill the offspring. There is no reason to this. It is not from hunger, it could be for territorial reasons. But it is animalistic. That is why offenders often don't have a reason for having done it, instinct has overridden reason.

amber - She was obviously taught by a parent that it's perfectly fricking ACCEPTABLE to beat babies to death... probably by a parent who was beaten by his or her father or mother who was then beaten by mommy or daddy... .

Wendy- Many offenders were abused by a parent, but then that interferes with your genetic inheritance theory, in that it is taught and that the child has become damaged and therefore reenacts the abuse. A damaged person should be executed? Not all offenders were abused by parents.

Amber - Prisons would be better off having LOW populations and going back to total self sufficiency in food provisions.

Wendy- agreed, but that would not make the prison profitable. Many prisons cannot get the public funding for prison industry that would help pay for its expenses. Self sufficiency programs also cost money becos you need more guards to supervise plus materials, machinery. Working is also a privilege in prison. It's very difficult to get an uncooperative prisoner to work and they would take every advantage to look for ways to escape while working the industry. A small population prison is not profitable and would probably be closed, the inmates shuttled to a more populated one elsewhere.

You are also right, unless it's the inmate's idea to rehabilitate himself, rehabilitation programs do not work. Many prisons lack the funding to keep college programs open for inmates that are ambitious to rehabilitate.

PS don't be sorry for being *long-winded*. Look at me. lol

I would stop animal cruelty and find every animal a loving home.

Wendy wrote: "It's fine that you believe that when people do awful things it's the result of inheritance. It is true in a very broad sense in that, through evolution our ancestors were animals. There is no gua..."


If you act like you are above the law, then the law has no reason to recognize your "humanity." Punishment is meant to show that there REALLY are consequences for negative actions and if the lawbreakers are being CODDLED by the legal system, how are they ever going to learn about CONSEQUENCES?

They DON'T, Wendy. If they did provide a safe place for the punishment of criminals, the population of prisons would NEVER revert to their criminal ways once released.

All a virus is is DNA or RNA which is nothing BUT genetic material. Ergo they are indeed passing it onto their children by simply being allowed to breed. Of course there's ALSO imitation because parents have a far more powerful influence on their kids than they know. Which is why I said of the 11 year old murderess that she had to have learned it was OK to beat a harmless baby to death by both whatever was passed to her genetically AND watching either Mommy or Daddy (most likely Daddy since Mommy DID say she was sorry for the actions of her daughter) beat another baby to death...possibly even one of her own siblings!

By saying they weren't eve animals, I meant that when animals kill it is 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999ad infinitum% of the time for SURVIVAL not for the pure sadistic PLEASURE of ending another life as we do. Your examples of animals killing their young goes back to the difference between us and them (animals). We kill for SADISTIC PLEASURE they kill for survival.

Re: For-profit prisons: FUCK PROFITS! The love of money is the root of all evil in the world, or so they say.

The prisoners who get the foster dogs are the few that WANT to be rahabilitated...they are in the minority. 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999ad infinitum% of them DO NOT WANT TO BE REHABILITATED because they can't get hired once outside.

Edward: Interesting point about the law itself being immoral.

Amber wrote: "Wendy wrote: "It's fine that you believe that when people do awful things it's the result of inheritance. It is true in a very broad sense in that, through evolution our ancestors were animals. T..."

amber- Punishment is meant to show that there REALLY are consequences for negative actions and if the lawbreakers are being CODDLED by the legal system, how are they ever going to learn about CONSEQUENCES?

Wendy- But punishment is imprisonment. We don't have torture or mistreatment as punishment in the court systems. I don't think we should either. That lowers our value of humanity and ourselves. The mindset that if you punish severely enough that it alters behavior. That is a fallacy. Think of a child that is beaten becos of minor behavior. That child keeps being beaten becos it is just being a child. That is it's behavior. The same with these repeat offenders. If sick enough, they will repeat offend. TOrture is just going to compound their problems and their anger. Many men who are treated badly in prison are more angry when they are released than when they came in. This proves that harsher punishment doesn't work. In fact, levying harsh punishment on an offender might just have triggered the sadism in you. TO inflict pain and hurt on another and to feel satisfaction is sadism.

I know they don't always provide a safe place. Prisons are very resistant to letting in visitors to see how things are or talk to inmates about the conditions and treatment. They think it just stirs up trouble. Yes it might, for the prison administrators and guards. They don't want investigation and accountability no more than the police on the outside do. You have seen their private *hearings* where they let officers off for abuse and even murder. I read some of the blogs written by those in prison. Prisons are not pleased by the inmates writing about the inside. This takes more thoughtful compassion by the public for inmates in prison. Most people just prefer to forget about our prisons and those inside. Many have the attitude that whatever happens to an inmate is deserved. PUnishment mentality.

Amber- All a virus is is DNA or RNA which is nothing BUT genetic material. Ergo they are indeed passing it onto their children by simply being allowed to breed.

Wendy- I see your reference now. Not that abusing is *caught* by others like a virus but passed on. If there were enough evidence that crime is hereditary, I think there would be something done about it. So far, it's a possibility but not an established fact.

You say that animals get a free pass because *oh well it's survival*. Humans evolved from animals and that reptilian and the intermediary brains we still have. Humans revert to animalistic behavior without reason, just because of compulsion. Think about it though. Many humans have compulsive behaviors that are not reasonable. Like the wealthy person who pinches pennies. Martha Stewart is a good example. DId she really need to sell that stock when she thot she might lose $200,000 when she is worth $685 million? (then go to prison for insider trading) The mindset is that you save and can't lose, even if it's a drop in the bucket. Unreasonable compulsion.

You are correct about sadism as we define it. Animals do not have the advanced brain and thoughts to be Sadistic. However, some of animal behavior can be compared to Sadism. Like does the cat need to torture and play with the mouse bringing it slow death? Do chickens really need to peck each other bloody in the pecking order? Do weasels need to kill the whole henhouse of chickens when they only drank the blood of a two? Our advanced brains give us that *something extra* that can get pleasure, sexual or otherwise from hurting another. It is a human not an animal trait. But the potential is in all of us.

Prisons cannot run without profit. So it does no good to say *fk that*. Most prisons never have enough to operate as they need and want to. The public doesn't want to give any more to prisons than they have to. Like I said, in some areas there are many prisons and it is an industry. Should'nt be, but is. How does saying *fk that* change the facts?

Right, the inmates are really in a state of hopeless anger becos they know they can't get hired even if they learn a trade or are educated in prison. It's a real problem. So they echo what you said, *FK it!*

Edward wrote: "Wendy wrote: "Amber wrote: "Wendy wrote: "It's fine that you believe that when people do awful things it's the result of inheritance. It is true in a very broad sense in that, through evolution ou..."

I have seen the same with dogs. They get into a chicken pen to play with them and kill them in doing so. Sure we give animals a break on this, esp. when they are pet variety. Really on the cat and mouse thing, it is a return to when they were growing up, the *playing* and killing (torturing) the mouse is to sharpen their hunting skills to chase and catch, capture and eat. They exhaust the mouse and of course injure it internally if they retain control of it. It's survival and for the dog it's a pack thing. For what the abuse and killing means to humans, psychologists have tried to discover. Some we know, some of what we know is imperfect. The deep fathoms of the human mind. It really is godlike. The will to power, the power to do evil.

Wendy wrote: "Amber wrote: "Wendy wrote: "It's fine that you believe that when people do awful things it's the result of inheritance. It is true in a very broad sense in that, through evolution our ancestors we..."

Imprisonment is only punishment when the prisoners are NOT CODDLED by being told by the legal system itself that we care more about THEIR rights than the rights of the VICTIMS!

The prisons would be far less crowded and less expensive to run if we didn't imprison people for non violent drug crimes or if we didn't sentence molesters to prison after their EQUALLY costly trial and instead killed them immediately after the end of the trial. Less crowding and less expenses makes the prisons MORE profitable, not less.

That said,. we are ALL drifting off topic here!

Edward: What would you do if you were President?

Amber wrote: "Imprisonment is only punishment when the prisoners are NOT CODDLED by being told by the legal system itself that we care more about THEIR rights than the rights of the VICTIMS!

The prisons would be far less crowded and less expensive to run if we didn't imprison people for non violent drug crimes or if we didn't sentence molesters to prison after their EQUALLY costly trial and instead killed them immediately after the end of the trial. Less crowding and less expenses makes the prisons MORE profitable, not less."

Wendy- The situation is far from the misinformed public believes. They want inmates deprived of everything. They know nothing about how prisons are run and kept secure. Something has to occupy the men, otherwise they are restless and become dangerous. TV, library, chapel, mail, yard exercise are all required to keep the inmates under control. You cannot cage any creature, let alone a human away from its activities, ways to pass time. It would endanger the guards' lives as well as keep the prison in constant turmoil if these men are not occupied. The food is not good, mostly starchy stuff and cheap meat, so there is a constipation problem. Not a lot of fresh fruit and veg. The killer is boredom, nothing to do. That is trouble itelf. The gangs or predators, not to mention the code of the inmate subculture require you be vigilantly defensive at all times. It could mean your life. You have to fight (called a chin-check). You don't defend yourself, fight back, it's a public statement you are fair game. Inmates help themselves to your property and can *have your ass* literally. Nope, I've written inmates. Prison is anything else but fun, barely tolerable.
As far as more rights, in some ways yes. These men are in the care of the state. Once that happens, they are derelect if they don't supply them with medical care, feed them, give them a clean place to live and address their grievances they are held accountable by the law. The aim of prison is to not mistreat people or remove the few right they do retain.

I certainly agree with you on prison crowding for drug and other minor offenses. These people can be placed on probation or provided with drug treatment. But there are those who will just repeat offend.
OUr law system doesnt' work like that. Anyone may appeal a court decision. That is why most on death row die of old age there. The appeals process is slow and can almost be exhausted indefinitely. It's a serious thing to take someone's life through execution. To prevent an innocent man from being killed is why the appeals process is there. Take it and like it. That's the law. So a death sentence is like a life sentence. Costly to the taxpayer. There is no move to change any of these laws. It means changing the law for everyone. No one wants to think that should they be arrested and be innocent that they could be executed if these protections of the law were not there.

Wendy wrote: "Amber wrote: "Imprisonment is only punishment when the prisoners are NOT CODDLED by being told by the legal system itself that we care more about THEIR rights than the rights of the VICTIMS!

The p..."

The legal system says that the rights of criminals are more important than the rights of the VICTIMS during the trial....not the imprisonment. The victims and their families are made fun of, belittled, sometimes (as in rape trials) even BLAMED for the action of the criminal!

Is that Constitutional? FUCK NO!

Then we need a Constitutional Amendment saying that the appeals MUST be finished within no more than THREE years for everyone.

The Founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves if they understood the Unconstitutional ways the legal system treat the victims and their families during the trial... .

That's the right idea. Start with changing the law or a const amendment. Many inmates don't want to be in captivity for life. They want to be executed. Shows you what hell it is to be in prison long term.

Thanks, Wendy.

Edward, given what you said in your last post, what would you do for them if you were President?

That's why I would like our country to be more like Sweden who treats the addicts, instead of jails them. It's costly to keep an inmate in jail. There need to be more spokespersons against these incarcerations for minor violations. Even dorm living with management and treatment would cost less (due to fewer employees).

Treatment also costs a lot of money but in the long run it'll probably end up saving money. I just wish that we could do something about the unconstitutional way the legal system treats the victims and the families of the victims of crimes like the ones I believe should carry an automatic death sentence: sexual molestation of spouses and kids and cruelty to animals.

Even if you're gonna eat it, there's no damned reason for making it miserable before you kill it.

I never said they should be tortured, Edward. Just that they should be killed immediately after conviction in a court of law.

If the molester of a child is a cleric, he should be killed w/o trial ESPECIALLY if he's a Catholic priest. AND he should NOT be given access to Confession.

Well, it wouldn't be simple for the Catholic priest because to him, being killed w/o access to Confession is A FATE WORSE THAN SIMPLE DEATH. Because the Church of Rome believes unprepared souls go straight to Hell... and have no chance of being resurrected when the Second Coming happens.