The Malazan Fallen discussion

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We get to see how some of the different factions will align if it comes to war and some individuals begin to place their loyalty with others.

We also get our first glimpse of Denul magic at work and the meaning of the world which was interesting. Seems like the shake language has some power to it or is used to describe things of power.

"The woman glanced back. 'Shall I raise us an army?'
'What?'
T'riss gestured. 'Clay and rock, the dead roots beneath. Armed with slivers of stone. Below the deep clays there are bones, as well, and the husks of enourmous insects all wonderfully hued.' "

So T'riss has some serious power which could be handy in a fight. (view spoiler)[ i know the T'Lan had their own society before their pact but could this be the origin or come from the same place as their power(pre-cursor to the Tellan warren). I hope we see them in this series. (hide spoiler)]

Also they are aware of Eleint and Soletaken at this point but they are more myth than reality.

I'm not entirely sure the point of most of this chapter. The T'riss stuff was interesting. As is the mystery around the Vitr.

It destroys and eats through things. So it can be used...

This chapter was pretty confusing to me. I guess its because of the Vitr stuff.

What is your T'riss spoiler spoiling Bill?

nothing really just being cautious.

Ah ok. I know you've read ahead and the ICE books.

I guess what this chapter is doing is letting us all know, that the Vitr sea has been around a while, it is destructive and unknown. As far as the Tiste are concerned, nothing comes out of it, survives it or gets washed up by it. Until now.

Yeah so Denul in its infancy eh? Bit of healing magic.

My theory on Korya. been looking through all the malazan books for this bit. Spoiler for MBofF a little bit (view spoiler)[

I knew that QB played with dolls and when I read that first bit about Korya and hers, it sparked my curiosity.

From Bonehunters:

For most children, normal children; but not for Ben Adaephon Delat, who had gone too far. Again.
And so Torahaval Delat had been dispatched to track down her brother, and to deliver upon him an appropriate punishment.

Ben had been playing with his dolls and made the family sheep.

Korya Delath. Delat.

Great great something grandmother? Remember Korya is been described as a Mahybe waiting to filled. Is that passed on? Because QB was definitely someone who was filled with souls.

It would also explain why QB wsa shit scared about meeting Anonmander Rake, it's because he's Tiste, possibly. Hell, he could even be Korya living on. Possibly. Maybe. Mahybe. (hide spoiler)]

Interesting theory Lee. I've always felt like (view spoiler)[QB could be Tiste too. (hide spoiler)]

Nice theory. I've been looking at all the characters names I don't recognize and trying to think if they could be someone else or the name might be twisted to something recognizable.

There's no doubt about QB (view spoiler)[being of mixed blood imo. He's part of the Andii pantheon after all. Fiddler reading cards (Deck of Dragons) named him Magus of High House Dark in Dust of Dreams. And he always had access to the elder Warren of Kurald Galain (see Gardens of the Moon) and not just the human version Rashan. So yeah, he is most likely related to Korya. Maybe her soul has been passed (shifted) on from generation to generation for some reason.

He's way more human than Tiste though.

I don't think QB was particularly afraid of Anomander, he or rather his souls just didn't want to be close to Dragnipur. He's prolly like 12 times as sensitive with all these souls in him. (hide spoiler)] (major MBotF spoiler).

Stupid Q.. In page 191: does anyone agree with Steven about the nature of civilization? Is he somehow subtly reffering to something in the real world ?

I'm too lazy to look it up, but my guess is that yes he's referring to real world things. He's seemed to have done that in past books anyways.

Civilizations in decline are notable when certain of their members escape justice and do so with impunity.

Who knows if he is referring to anything specific but there are numerous events in the not too distant past that you could point to and could make a case.

Interesting, so T'riss cut her way out from the belly of an eleint.

Johny wrote: "Interesting, so T'riss cut her way out from the belly of an eleint."

No?

David wrote: "Johny wrote: "Interesting, so T'riss cut her way out from the belly of an eleint."

No?"

So who did? If footsteps were there to that place where she met that guard.

Johny wrote: "So who did? If footsteps were there to that place where she met that guard."

T'riss and the Eleint emerged from the Vitr (at the same time/place) and then fought against each other. T'riss won by slicing open the Eleint's belly and slashing its entrails. Then she disgarded her ruined clothes, damaged armour and sword and walked away.

Oh, I never thought about that in this way.

Actually, I was under the impression that T'riss cut her way out from the belly of the Eleint as well. It says in the description of the creature that it has many wounds "as of ribs punching out through the thick, scaled hide, but she could see no thrust of white bone from any of them". That indicates to me that the wounds were made from the inside.

But...

1) I'm pretty sure they would've talked about this then (during the ride). Instead all the dialogue and even the meaning of her name (= from the Vitr/born of the sea) indicate that she did the same thing as in
2) Blood and Bone.

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‘No. The Vitr does not create, it destroys.’
‘Yet you came from it.’
‘I was not welcome there.’
This was new. ‘Are you certain of that?’
T’riss was still for a moment, and then she nodded. ‘It assailed me. Age upon age, I fought. There was no thought but the struggle itself, and this struggle, I think, consumed all that I once was.’

Maybe she used her sorcery to penetrate the Eleint's armour/scales first. Then attacked the flesh and entrails with her sword. vOv