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Antonio Wats | 36 comments For decades the most known feminist was Simone De Beauvoir. She was the wife of Sartre(or his girlfriend according to some current views) and she was also a Thinker.
The question i want to ask to OurSharedShelf is who is the mightest Thinker today. Is it a man or a Woman?
Me personally I used to read lots of books i still read but when I want to be astonished I see Emma Watson's interviews. In her interviews I see astonishing thinking parts going around.


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Jonathan Reese | 23 comments After some interogation i arrived to the conclusion that it is too early to proclaim Emma a great thinker. Let her at least write a book first. Without a doubt she is one of the greatest minds of her generation but to be called a great thinker you need to have written books.


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Merve (viebibliophile) (viebibliophile) | 1 comments Jonathan wrote: "After some interogation i arrived to the conclusion that it is too early to proclaim Emma a great thinker. Let her at least write a book first. Without a doubt she is one of the greatest minds of h..."

I agree that it's too early to proclaim Emma as a great thinker, but not because she hasn't written books. Anyone can write a book nowadays, and there are always people who will read it. Personally, my concern is instead about how much risk she is taking, and how revolutionary her ideas are. I love Emma and everything she stands for, but unlike Simone de Beauvoir and many other "great thinkers" known today, she's too careful not to offend anyone, and she doesn't really offer anything new to the discussion. She supports pre-existing concepts and ideas extremely well; she knows how to make arguments, she is kind and thoughtful, and she for sure uses her influence in a good way. However, I can't help but think that she doesn't do much "great thinking," in the sense that Simone de Beauvoir and others did at their time.

Again, I love Emma, I think she's great, but the label "great thinker," in my opinion, is very hard to attain, and bringing new, revolutionary, and therefore a bit controversial ideas to the table is a big prerequisite.

(Roxane Gay, I would say, is one great thinker of today.)


message 4: by Jonathan (last edited Jul 24, 2021 01:35AM) (new)

Jonathan Reese | 23 comments Thank you Helen and Merve. I agree with Merve that great thinker is a difficult label to obtain and maybe Emma is not there yet. Though I think she is for sure a thought leader for many people today.
I mean feminism was a pre-existing concept , it existed before Emma's intervention but she enriched it and made the arguments that made feminism an unstoppable current. This in current terms is labelled as a thought-leader as Helen said. Her ideas and arguments inspire millions of people everyday and that's what a thought leader is.
I don't know if Emma has a new concept that is her own maybe someone else can enlighten us. For sure though i know she coined the word self-partnership.


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Lionzop | 1 comments Emma Watson is considered to be gifted. She is within the top 3% of the world's most intelligent people. Now IQ can change over time and can go down and up depending on learning and exposure to other elements.


Knight Of The Rose (-jmd-) | 4 comments On my part i think she can be caller a thinker.Its not because she did not created a book that she i not allow that title.Her voice alone give her that title.


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Emma is no stranger to anything human, and she loves to eat, just like the rest of us. She follows just one principle in her diet: more foods rich in nutrients, like whole grains, pure protein, and unsaturated fats. Watson enjoys cooking so much that her to-do list has added another obligatory item: to graduate from the Le Cordon Bleu culinary school in Paris someday.


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London | 21 comments I didn’t know that about her loving to cook. Wow! That’s great! Yeah, I love that she engages in normal hobbies, outside of cooking, and has that “everyone is equal” mentality! She’s amazing!


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Hi, anyone interested in Emma's new photos https://twitter.com/emwatsonupdates


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I'm glad. I will share material about Emma with you friends in the future.


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Jonathan Reese | 23 comments London wrote: "I didn’t know that about her loving to cook. Wow! That’s great! Yeah, I love that she engages in normal hobbies, outside of cooking, and has that “everyone is equal” mentality! She’s amazing!"

Yes she is also reading thousand of books to educate herself. Moreover, she is a master in meditation and she is a certified yoga instructor! We could go on and on and on. Emma Watson is just awesome!


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A little about Emma
In everyday life, Emma does her own makeup, and prefers natural makeup. Her arsenal includes RMS Beauty concealer to conceal imperfections on the skin, Jane Iredale liquid eyeliner and Perfect Pro mascara, DHC, to emphasize her eyes. Watson also likes Red Pomegranate Cheek and Lip Stain, The Body Shop.
The actress does not go on stringent diets and allows herself sweets. For the sake of her health, she gave up fast food and started eating her favorite Italian pizza less often. The actress has a lot of fruits and vegetables in her diet.
Emma likes to exercise. Her workouts consist of cardio and power exercises at least five times a week. The actress is not against and practicing boxing, as she told her subscribers. But the most important rule for maintaining a figure is activity. Thus, in an interview with American Vogue, the girl noted that she removed the couch from the living room, replacing it with a table for ping-pong. It helps to think less about lying down and doing nothing. Her main rule of facial skin care is to always wash off her makeup before going to bed. Emma has dry skin, so she tries to use gentle products. Among the favorites is the cleanser from Evolue. After it, the actress has standard care - toner, booster and moisturizer. She uses an exfoliator once a week.
Watson has fair skin, so she always uses sunscreen. If she does get sunburned, she applies MV Organic Energizing 9-Oil Skin Tonic to the damaged areas. If time permits, Emma likes to take a bath every day. She believes that a bath is a beautiful place where one always feels good. The actress likes to add different oils and sea salt to her bath. Emma is a fan of natural cosmetics. She has been searching for a long time for a quality and organic deodorant. After much trial and error, she found the perfect one - Agent Nateur #3. In 2010, the actress decided on a radical change of image and made a short haircut. Then she admitted that she wanted to look more mature. This succeeded. However, then Emma grew her hair again, and now sticks to one length - just below the shoulders. And often gathers her hair in a ponytail or bun. Since 2011, Emma has been the face of Tresor Midnighr Rose fragrance, Lancome. In interviews, she said that she agreed to take part in the advertising, because she really liked the scent. The main notes of the perfume are rose, currant and raspberry. Emma's favorite movie is "Notting Hill", her favorite book is the third part of the Harry Potter franchise, and the TV show is "Friends". The actress has some similarities with Hermione: she claims that reading is the best way to relax and learn something new. In addition, Emma loves silence and tranquility. She even flew on vacation to the mountains to feel completely at one with the universe and to develop her meditation skill. While starring in the film "Noah", the actress was subjected to disrespectful attitude from the directors. Plastic water bottles were banned on the set, causing Watson to become dehydrated. Emma Watson had about five or six affairs on and off the set. Breakups with young people occurred because of her busy schedule. The young actress is constantly evolving. Emma is engaged in yoga, keeps a journal of her achievements and practical advice.


message 13: by London (new)

London | 21 comments I didn’t know that about the filming facts in “Noah”, but I did know about her diet, workout, and skin care/makeup products. Did you read about her skin care routine through “into the gloss: Emma Watson”?


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How Emma Watson converts men to feminism and destroys child marriages.
Emma Watson in garment factories in Bangladesh
In 2009 (after the release of "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince") Emma launched her own clothing collection in collaboration with People Tree, pioneers in the field of "ethical" fashion. The following year, in between shooting Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Watson traveled to Bangladesh to see for herself and talk about how the clothes are made. The actress was struck by the contrast between the inhumane conditions in garment factories in the slums of Dhaka and the fair trade commune in Thanapara, where clothes for People Tree are sewn.
In an interview after that trip, Emma said that workers in ordinary factories are cut off from their families in villages hundreds of kilometers away. According to the actress, although people work most of the day, they "do not get enough money to buy food, feed their families and generally live any kind of normal life. The workers sleep in dormitories with one toilet for 30 people, "which is a hole in the floor.
"Fair trade (...) opens up opportunities for people and does not deprive them of human dignity. (...) I still struggle to find words to convey what it means to those who make all our clothes. (...) Through fair trade, women say goodbye to poverty," says Emma.
In 2019, Emma became the face of Good On You, a platform that ranks clothing manufacturers on ethical and environmental criteria. "I support this project because I want to make sure: my clothes don't harm our precious planet and the people who live on it," the actress said. Over time, Emma began to focus on sustainability issues beyond the fashion industry as well. In 2012 she started supporting CAMFED (Campaign for Female Education), an international humanitarian organization that promotes the education of African girls. Watson traveled to Zambia to raise awareness about child marriage. In Africa, 40 percent of girls are married before the age of 18. This deprives them of the opportunity to get an education and provide for themselves, putting them at risk of dying from complications during pregnancy and childbirth. Since then, the actress has regularly helped CAMFED raise donations for her projects. In 2014, Watson was appointed Goodwill Ambassador of UN Women, an organization that fights for gender equality around the world. At the same time Emma found herself in Uruguay. The country was preparing to hold elections under a new law guaranteeing 30 percent female representation in parliament. Meeting with government members and activists, Watson congratulated them on this achievement on behalf of the UN, and stressed the need to ensure women's meaningful participation in political life. Emma Watson's speech celebrating the launch of the HeForShe movement

"This is the first campaign of its kind at the UN: we want to encourage as many men and boys as possible to stand up for gender equality. (...) The fight for women's rights has too often become synonymous with hatred of men. (...) It has to stop. For reference, the definition of feminism is: "The belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities. It is a theory that assumes political, economic and social equality of the sexes." (...) Personally, I decided that I was a feminist, and I didn't see any problem with that. But now I have learned that the word 'feminism' has become unpopular."

"It's funny, people used to say, 'Oh, she's scared.' In fact, I became even more determined. I was just furious. I said: "'That's why I have to do this. (...) They wanted me to back off, but they got it backwards."
In the summer of 2020, Watson was offered to join the board of directors of Kering Corporation - the owner of Yves Saint Laurent and Gucci - and to head the committee on sustainable development. Emma's new position was the point where all her interests converged - fair trade, gender equality, and combating violence against women.

"Sustainability in fashion is a critical issue, given the devastating impact the industry has on the environment, workers' rights, animal welfare. It is also an issue of feminism: about 80% of the employees of all garment factories in the world are women between the ages of 18 and 35. I will try to make sure that people employed in factories - all along the supply chain - can work without fear, without risk of abuse, and that new instruments, such as the International Labour Organization Convention on Violence and Harassment, are actually implemented on the ground, from factories to stores," said Watson.

Knowing Emma's passion for tackling global issues, you want to believe her words.


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Her grounded points of view on feminism, culture and body image prove that having influential leadership is not just about what you’re talking about, but how you’re talking about it…

“Feminism is not here to dictate to you. It’s not prescriptive, it’s not dogmatic. All we are here to do is give you a choice. If you want to run for Prime Minister, you can. If you don’t, that’s wonderful, too. Shave your armpits, don’t shave them, wear flats one day, heels the next.”

“I truly, truly believe that beauty is something that comes from within. You can only really look beautiful if you feel beautiful on the inside. It shows through your face, the way you move and the way you hold yourself.”

“With airbrushing and digital manipulation, fashion can project an unobtainable image that’s dangerously unhealthy. I’m excited about the aging process. I’m more interested in women who aren’t perfect. They’re more compelling.”

“Don’t feel stupid if you don’t like what everyone else pretends to love.”

“There’s nothing wrong with being afraid. It’s not the absence of fear, it’s overcoming it. Sometimes you’ve got to blast through and have faith.”

“Becoming yourself is really hard and confusing, and it’s a process. I was completely the eager beaver in school, I was the girl in the front of the class who was the first person to put her hand up, and it’s often not cool to be the person that puts themself out there, and I’ve often gotten teased mercilessly, but I found that ultimately if you truly pour your heart into what you believe in—even if it makes you vulnerable—amazing things can and will happen.”

“I want to be a Renaissance woman. I want to paint, and I want to write, and I want to act, and I want to just do everything.”

“I don’t have perfect teeth, I’m not stick thin. I want to be the person who feels great in her body and can say that she loves it and doesn’t want to change anything.”

“[My mum] instilled in me, particularly in my teenage years, that what I was thinking and what I was doing and what I was saying were, ultimately, infinitely more important than my physical appearance. Even when the world was really telling me the contrary.”

“Don’t let anyone tell you what you can and can’t do or achieve. Do what you want to do and be who you want to be. Just encourage and include each other, don’t ostracize the gender in front of you.”


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Emma Watson as a Thinke


Girls are always told they have to be fragile princesses, but I think that's nonsense. I always wanted to be a warrior, a fighter for a cause. And if I did have to be a princess, I would be a warrior princess.

Being normal to me means not being recognized on every corner.

I am fascinated by the aging process because I want to be imperfect. Aging makes one imperfect, and imperfection makes one beautiful.

Believe me, beauty is not about long hair, thin legs, tanned skin and great teeth. Beauty is the face of someone who just cried and suddenly smiled. Beauty is the scar on your knee from when you fell when you were little. Beauty is the circles under your eyes when you're in love and can't sleep. Beauty is the look on your face woken by the alarm bell; it's the floaty makeup when you take a shower; it's when you smile at a joke that only you understand. Beauty is the wrinkles drawn by time. Beauty is how we feel on the inside and how it changes us on the outside. Beauty is all the marks that life leaves; all the slaps and all the kisses that memory holds.

Girls shouldn't be afraid to be smart.

My first car was a Prius, and I loved it, even though my friends said it was ugly and that I felt like I was driving a brick. To be honest, it really isn't the prettiest car in the world, but it's perfect for the environment. Sensitive and boring - like me.

It's strange that the head doesn't grow from knowledge like muscles do from exercise. We would see from afar who we were dealing with.

I try not to eat meat, sort my garbage, and always turn off the lights if I leave the room for long periods of time. I'm not a crazy activist, but I'd like to leave the world after I leave the way I found it when I arrived.

Once upon a time I read that the first kiss in Elizabeth Taylor's life happened on a movie set - in front of the camera. And I thought: I have to be very careful not to repeat that experience. So that my first kiss would not be the kiss of the girl in whose clothes I was dressed.

Once in psychology class I did my own research on how and why we fall in love. Turns out we only need six hours to do it!

As for men, I find James Franco attractive. But I would never call myself a sex symbol.

My idea of sexiness is the less is more. The less you expose, the more people will think of.

Feminism is not a dictate. It does not command, and it is not dogma. It merely advocates the right to free choice. If you want to run for prime minister, be my guest, but if you're comfortable staying at home and doing chores, that's fine too. And it's your choice whether or not to shave your armpits, wear flat soles or wear stilettos.

I've noticed that fighting for women's rights too often turns into hating men.

I seem to have enough money to never work again.

Right now I'm thinking about learning to play the mandolin.

You can criticize my chin endlessly.


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Emma Watson faced the world of cinema at a very young age. And, of course, got acquainted with all its inherent attributes: professional makeup, costumes and hairstyles. Preparing for the shooting took a fair amount of time, but the actress Emma Watson was not bored even then - she carefully studied the makeup bags of her film makeup artists and with great interest tried everything she found.

"As of late, I have also become very interested in the quality of the products I put on my face and body. Is it possible to prepare for the red carpet with organic cosmetics alone, or is it an option for everyday use only? What is the best product to choose? How affordable is it? These are questions I've been looking for answers to over the past couple of years," says the actress.

Emma Watson unashamedly admits that despite her passion for organics, she only follows this "pure" grooming philosophy by about 80 percent. "It's hard to stick to absolutes in self-care, especially when you work in the film industry. You can get yourself stressed out that way, too. So I do what I can, but when I just need water-resistant mascara, I often don't worry about who it's made by or where - the important thing is that it works."

With or without makeup?

Emma Watson notes that when it comes to makeup, it is important for her to have as much natural skin in view as possible. "The older I get, the less I try to hide my freckles. When we filmed 'Beauty and the Beast' I insisted that they be 'part of' the picture and the makeup artists didn't cover them up. So many young girls in the process of growing up ashamed of their faces and skin. So I want to show by my own example that natural skin - it's great! "- says actress Emma Watson. The girl notes that in normal life she prefers discreet makeup, and the emphasis is not on the eyes, but on the lips, as she does not like to wash off makeup from the eyes for a long time - it makes them tear up and causes discomfort.

Emma Watson says that no matter how tired she is, she makes sure to wash her face in the evening. "I may come back from filming at 4 a.m., but I still take off my makeup, wash my face, and moisturize my skin before I go to bed. A lot of people are surprised by my stamina, but it's actually a ritual that I enjoy. When I was 14 or 15 years old, my skin wasn't in the best condition. So now that I was finally able to achieve balance, I enjoy its appearance and try to do everything to ensure that the crisis does not happen again, "- says now Emma Watson.

The actress also admits to an absolute love of lying in the bathtub. "I take a bath every day. And if there is time to do it 2 or 3 times a day - fine. I easily combine it with other activities - chatting on the phone, reading - anything! I always use different salts and oils with additives - mint, eucalyptus, echinacea... And when I'm sick I always add to my bath something with ginger - it makes my breath easier and helps me feel really clean".

Finally, Emma Watson advises not to abuse filters on Instagram, and to appreciate yourself for who you are. And to be always happy with your reflection in the mirror you don't need to be stingy in searching for optimal self-care. And of course, you should smile more often!


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Jack Leopold | 1 comments Emma Watson compared with Simone de Beauvoir and declared a great thinker? Aren't we buying to much in her hype? Don't get me wrong I don't doubt that she played an important role in the popularization of feminism, with this bookclub for example, but isn't she sometimes hyped too much by the media?


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NosferaTTV Reynolds | 1 comments Aren't you reading too much into this? Why is it so wrong for someone to share their opinion? Is it her fault that people actually listen to her or agree with her, so they are interested in what she has to say? If you think it's over-hyped, then don't listen. If you agree with her, then agree. Why worry about what other people think? Deal with you. We can fend for ourselves, BB.


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Jonathan Reese | 23 comments Amy wrote: "Aren't you reading too much into this? Why is it so wrong for someone to share their opinion? Is it her fault that people actually listen to her or agree with her, so they are interested in what sh..."

Exactly. People are so eager to criticize.


message 21: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Reese | 23 comments An Emma Watson quote that always troubled me is the one that says " Don't feel stupid if you don't like what everyone else pretends to love". What did she mean, do you know? Also, I would love if some OSS members shared their favorite Emma Watson quotes, mine is " It's not the absence of fear, its overcoming it, sometimes you have to blast through and have faith".


message 22: by London (new)

London | 21 comments My favorite Emma Watson Quote is:
“Feeling beautiful has nothing to do with what you look like.”


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Hariom Gupta | 1 comments London wrote: "My favorite Emma Watson Quote is:
“Feeling beautiful has nothing to do with what you look like.”"

even Emma Watson is also my favorite quote.


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London | 21 comments I also love these as well from Emma:

“I speak to people because of who they are, not because of what I want out of them.”

“I think the most beautiful people are those who look as though they have no makeup on.”

“You are not going to fall for the right person until you love yourself and feel good about who you are.”

“I don’t want other people to decide who I am, I want to decide that for myself.”


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Despoina | 1 comments I love those quotes. They are so great I wonder why they are not made in a book yet.
Emma is a great thinker!


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Ella Guidi | 3 comments Jonathan wrote: "After some interogation i arrived to the conclusion that it is too early to proclaim Emma a great thinker. Let her at least write a book first. Without a doubt she is one of the greatest minds of h..."


i agree


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Ella Guidi | 3 comments I do not reputate Emma Watson a great thinker..
Most of the time what she says confuses me
Like the speech about trans people
There were so many other ways to make people understand the topic and in my opinion she ruined it
I'm not anyone to judge her but I think that she should think before speaking


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Ella Guidi | 3 comments deleted user wrote: "Emma Watson faced the world of cinema at a very young age. And, of course, got acquainted with all its inherent attributes: professional makeup, costumes and hairstyles. Preparing for the shooting ..."

Its very easy to say it if you are one of the most know celebrity of all time
You have at least 20 people to fix your make up, your hair and everything
Emma, like everyone else, should stop saying this quotes about beauty and felling confident


message 29: by Evgeny (new)

Evgeny Becket I agree with you. A lot of hype out of nothing. All things pass and this will pass.


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London | 21 comments I sort of agree. I think people make a big deal out of the word “feminist”. I believe in equality! But I don’t think Emma Watson is the only true feminist either. There comes a point when it becomes too much in your head.


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London | 21 comments I wasn’t saying that Emma isn’t a great thinker. I believe she is…it’s incredible all that she’s achieved in her life. But some other feminists I’ve met make this whole thing up in their head, mistreat their husbands, and think the world is better without men. Which I do not agree with. Emma is, by far, the best feminist I’ve ever met. I wish there was a different word to categorize the difference of man-hating and equality!


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Jasmine | 94 comments London wrote: "I wasn’t saying that Emma isn’t a great thinker. I believe she is…it’s incredible all that she’s achieved in her life. But some other feminists I’ve met make this whole thing up in their head, mist..."

Wouldn't it be nice if we can have one feminist conversation without someone whining about fictitious 'man hating.' And if some women do hate men then there are a hell of a lot of good reasons to.


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Antonio Wats | 36 comments London wrote: "I sort of agree. I think people make a big deal out of the word “feminist”. I believe in equality! But I don’t think Emma Watson is the only true feminist either. There comes a point when it become..."
Sorry for deleting my previous post i felt uneasy for a moment. It's true that there are some radical forms of feminism that can be offensive esthetically. Me I make it clear that I abide to Emma Watson's liberal feminism and not a feminism that hates men. We could call this feminism Watsonism maybe to distinguish it from more radical forms.


message 34: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 94 comments Why an issue with what you define as 'radical' forms of feminism?


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Antonio Wats | 36 comments Antonio wrote: "London wrote: "I sort of agree. I think people make a big deal out of the word “feminist”. I believe in equality! But I don’t think Emma Watson is the only true feminist either. There comes a point..."

Well Jasmine I'm not against radical feminism per se but we have to understand that in many ways society is static and change can not happen overnight. Many instances of feminism are un-attractive to many people. That's why I think Emma's feminism stands out. Because it is very carefully stated in order to not hurt people and is also appealing. I don't know what is her end purpose but the things we can see are great. Do you think feminism should be more radical than that?


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Jasmine | 94 comments I don't think radical feminism is designed to hurt people and by Emma Watson trying to define her brand of feminism differently, it puts unfair negative connotations on other forms, especially intersectional.

I see this quite often with privileged (mostly white) women trying to redefine their feminism away from 'angry, shouty, black women' who (like me) are seen as 'too radical.'


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Antonio Wats | 36 comments Jasmine wrote: "I don't think radical feminism is designed to hurt people and by Emma Watson trying to define her brand of feminism differently, it puts unfair negative connotations on other forms, especially inte..."

So Jasmine, to understand, you claim that Emma Watson's brand of feminism is hypocritically reducing more radical and specifically black women's voices? I don't know, Emma is notorious for highlighting black activists voices through her platforms but maybe you are right. If Emma's feminism is that hypocritical it has to be very carefully polished to appear genuine or else we are idiots for believing her.


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Jasmine | 94 comments I didn't say she completely excludes black voices. I was alluding to how Emma Watson (and others) tend to cherry pick less 'radical' black voices, like there's an approved list almost. The types that won't upset the western capitalist orthodoxy too much.

And I never called you an idiot so please don't try to turn this into name calling.


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Antonio Wats | 36 comments Antonio wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "I don't think radical feminism is designed to hurt people and by Emma Watson trying to define her brand of feminism differently, it puts unfair negative connotations on other forms,..."

I see. I did not claim that you are calling me an idiot, i just said that Emma has convinced many people(including me recently) that she is the most genuine feminist in the world. So either she has somekind of science of fooling them or they are idiots, that what I said. Sorry, if my expression is too strong. I was also sometimes suspicious for her but what tipped me to her side was her recent support for Palestine. She upsetted a lot of people with that. If she is loyal to the western capitalist orthodoxy why she did that?


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Jasmine | 94 comments I don't doubt she's a feminist. My point was there are many variations and in my opinion, Emma promotes a very cosy, sanitised form (often the case with wealthy white celebrities) that doesn't go far enough in pushing for quicker and more radical change.


message 41: by London (new)

London | 21 comments Antonio, what you explained about Emma’s feminism and how she sticks out with “her brand”, along with it being more appealing and more easily understood by those who don’t come from that background; it makes sense and I agree! Watsonism, is humorous by also appropriate since many are confused between these different definitions. Thank you for clearing that up!


message 42: by Antonio (new)

Antonio Wats | 36 comments https://www.studyinternational.com/ne... An article from study international highlighting how Emma pursued her education and became a scholar.


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Antonio Wats | 36 comments London wrote: "Antonio, what you explained about Emma’s feminism and how she sticks out with “her brand”, along with it being more appealing and more easily understood by those who don’t come from that background..."

Yes, London her feminism definetely sticks out as being so polished and smart. Watsonism is indeed humorous.


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rose_potter | 6 comments I respect the fact that she practices what she preaches, like wearing eco friendly clothing and makeup, and she constantly educates herself through many medias, not just reading. Saying that she is a great thinker I come to disagree to, I think she is just a very influential person. Granted she is aware of this and uses this with good intentions, but she is definitely more conscious of the world than a lot of celebrities. Of course this is just my opinion. She is not the only celebrity to do humanitarian work to this degree.


message 45: by London (new)

London | 21 comments Totally agree that most celebrities aren’t “conscious of the world” like Emma. She isn’t Einstein, in that her solutions are expertise, but she is a very influential person. And that’s why I think she is recognized and respected differently. Down the inside, she’s a normal person like us. We’re all given different opportunities in life, not the same ones, but she doesn’t set herself on a pedestal, which is respectable!


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I think that most members of the club are more or less right. It is not clear if we can pronounce Emma Watson as a great thinker already. What is sure is that her version of feminism is a stepping stone for great things. I also understand Jasmine's doubts, they are legit but as BookwormBelle and London said Emma Watson is very educated and conscious of the world. I think that if she just writes more and establish some historical evidence of her theory she can bring something good.


message 47: by London (new)

London | 21 comments For sure, Manousos! Emma is definitely a “stepping stone” for greater things! And I think if she did more writings and put herself out there with articles and things, she could be a more known thinker. But thanks, very helpful!


message 48: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine | 94 comments Gee, thanks for mansplaining to me Manousos. Kinda patronizing that you say my doubts are legit and then completely overlook the detail of them.


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Jasmine | 94 comments See how the black woman commenting is completely overlooked by the male responses? And you all applaud this!

Look at your own hypocrisy, you're literally proving my point!


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rose_potter | 6 comments Not trying to change the subject here, but do you have any recommendations for books on black feminism Jasmine? I want to see all sides of feminism and would love to learn more about your perspective. I definitely agree that black voices should be more amplified then they are now. No one should choose who is heard and who isn’t.


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