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message 1: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Lol ok


message 2: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
I don't know my name is much longer


message 3: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Did anyone else notice that I have the most comments out of us mods? (Smirk) (sorry it's the Torren in me)


message 4: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Ahhhhhh!!! Where's Day?!?!?? 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I think she officially is off!!! NOOO!


message 5: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Robyn?!?!?! Where are you?!??


message 6: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
(To anyone who looks in this folder: I swear I'm not talking to myself! The other two last Mods left gr!)


message 7: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Haha hi!


message 8: by D a y (new)

D a y s i Pretty much all of the mods got kicked XD


message 9: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments why ):


message 10: by D a y (new)

D a y s i Underage 😒
Gr takes it wayyy to seriously…


message 11: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments lol why are all the mods 5 then XD


message 12: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Lol well I think I'm gonna get rid of Moon cause she told me she's taking a break


message 13: by D a y (new)

D a y s i Oh ok


message 14: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments lol my activity dipped a little while i was doing stuff


message 15: by D a y (new)

D a y s i …?


message 16: by D a y (new)

D a y s i No I was wondering about Percy


message 17: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments what about me?


message 18: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments why is there no noise?


message 19: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Did u post yet Percy?


message 20: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments Lynn wrote: "Did u post yet Percy?"

on what?


message 21: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments hey guys ):


message 22: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments Is there any a priori support for ‘There is nothing’? One might respond with a methodological principle that propels the empty world to the top of the agenda. For instance, many feel that whoever asserts the existence of something has the burden of proof. If an astronomer says there is water at the south pole of the Moon, then it is up to him to provide data in support of the lunar water. If we were not required to have evidence to back our existential claims, then a theorist who fully explained the phenomena with one set of things could gratuitously add an extra entity, say, a pebble outside our light cone. We recoil from such add-ons. To prevent the intrusion of superfluous entities, one might demand that metaphysicians start with the empty world and admit only those entities that have credentials. This is the entry requirement imposed by René Descartes. He clears everything out and then only lets back in what can be proved to exist.

St. Augustine had more conservative counsel: we should not start at the beginning, nor at the end, but where we are, in the middle. We reach a verdict about the existence of controversial things by assessing how well these entities would harmonize with the existence of better established things. If we start from nothing, we lack the bearings needed to navigate forward. Conservatives, coherentists and scientific gradualists all cast a suspicious eye on ‘Why is there something rather than nothing?’.

Most contemporary philosophers feel entitled to postulate whatever entities are indispensable to their best explanations of well accepted phenomena. They feel the presumption of non-existence is only plausible for particular existence claims. Since the presumption only applies on a case by case basis, there is no grand methodological preference for an empty world. Furthermore, there is no burden of proof when everybody concedes the proposition under discussion. Even a solipsist agrees there is at least one thing!

A more popular way to build a presumption in favor of nothingness is to associate nothingness with simplicity and simplicity with likelihood. The first part of this justification is plausible. ‘Nothing exists’ is simple in the sense of being an easy to remember generalization. Consider a test whose questions have the form ‘Does x exist?’. The rule ‘Always answer no!’ is unsurpassably short and comprehensive.

In Les Misérables, Victor Hugo contrasts universal negation with universal affirmation:

All roads are blocked to a philosophy which reduces everything to the word ‘no.’ To ‘no’ there is only one answer and that is ‘yes.’ Nihilism has no substance. There is no such thing as nothingness, and zero does not exist. Everything is something. Nothing is nothing. Man lives more by affirmation than by bread. (1862, 439).
As far as simplicity is concerned, there is a tie between the nihilistic rule ‘Always answer no!’ and the inflationary rule ‘Always answer yes!’. Neither rule makes for serious metaphysics.

Even if ‘Nothing exists’ were the uniquely simplest possibility (as measured by memorability), why should we expect that possibility to be actual? In a fair lottery, we assign the same probability of winning to the ticket unmemorably designated 4,169,681 as to the ticket memorably labeled 1,111,111.

Indeed, the analogy with a lottery seems to dramatically reverse the presumption of non-existence. If there is only one empty world and many populated worlds, then a random selection would lead us to expect a populated world.

Peter van Inwagen (1996) has nurtured this statistical argument. In an infinite lottery, the chance that a given ticket is the winner is 0. Van Inwagen reasons that since there are infinitely many populated worlds, the probability of a populated world is equal to 1. Although the empty world is not impossible, it is as improbable as anything can be!

For the sake of balanced reporting, van Inwagen should acknowledge that, by his reasoning, the actual world is also as improbable as anything can be. What really counts here is the probability of ‘There is something’ as opposed to ‘There is nothing’.

Is this statistical explanation scientific? Scientists stereotypically offer causal explanations. These are not feasible given the comprehensive reading of ‘Why is there something rather than nothing?’. However, scientists also accept equilibrium explanations (Sperry-Taylor 2019). These explain the actual situation as the outcome of most or all of the possible initial states. There is no attempt to trace the path by which the actual initial state developed into the present situation. It suffices that the result is invariant. Why do I have enough oxygen to breathe even though all the oxygen molecules could have congregated in one corner of my room? The physicist explains that while this specific arrangement is just as likely as any other, the overwhelming majority of arrangements do not segregate oxygen.


message 23: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Post on Harry Potter duh! Lol and what in the world is that essay?!?


message 24: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments for my philosophy a level


message 25: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Sry for late responses I'm at a party now


message 26: by D a y (new)

D a y s i
I was too lazy to read through it I’ll get to it soon…


message 27: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments i want to come


message 28: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments XD


message 29: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Lol too bad


message 30: by D a y (new)

D a y s i I can get to it asap


message 31: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments we should make more chats for rp so we can have multiple people rp if they want


message 32: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Go ahead


message 33: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments what should i name them?


message 34: by D a y (new)

D a y s i Idk


message 35: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments hogwarts 2


message 36: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments XD


message 37: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Good enough XD


message 38: by D a y (new)

D a y s i Ok finally did it Raini sorry it took so long… :|


message 39: by D a y (new)

D a y s i :)


message 40: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments should we in the future expand? make more rp chats for different places in the school?


message 41: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Lol very true good idea


message 42: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments im in a few that use that


message 43: by D a y (new)

D a y s i Dw bout kotlc rp that’s all good for now


message 44: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments yh


message 45: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Hey Percy I got the email and am downloading the app


message 46: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments k


message 47: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments would u like me o start working on that?


message 48: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments also should i make folders for flaws and stuff


message 49: by ❅ Lyn Nguyen, butterflies by johnny stimson (new)

❅ Lyn Nguyen | 18032 comments Mod
Lol sure


message 50: by danny (new)

danny | 801 comments this is important XD


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