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What are we reading? 1 August 2022

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⚽🥇Well done you Lionesses.
On topic......I'm am having a reading blitz on J M Dalgliesh's Hidden Norfolk series. Currently on No. 4 Tell No Tales
and the characters are developing nicely. A smartly dressed Londoner with a criminal record is found dead at the bottom of the cliffs at Sheringham, DI Janssen's home town. Two of the suspects are known to him from his schooldays as bad 'uns. The wife of one of them is expecting and as she was carrying on the deceased who was black and her husband is white, things could get a bit awkward. So far so good.

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was enjoying Benedetti, Scully and Berreda before the long weekend ....temperatures a little warm, though nothing like the dreadful mid-July stuff..

I'll put up a comic to start the thread off right - take a look."
I think it was Bill MK who suggested those definitions. They interested me also.

Can I just get in with a completely off topic post?
⚽🥇Well done you Lionesses.
On topic......I'm am having a reading blitz on J M Dalgliesh's Hidden ..."
giveusaclue wrote: "Thanks for another great introduction Gpfr.
Can I just get in with a completely off topic post?
⚽🥇Well done you Lionesses.
On topic......I'm am having a reading blitz on J M Dalg
Well done indeed Lionesses great stuff😀
I have just read the first two of Phil Rickman's Merrily Watkins series, set in and around Hereford. Merrily is the vicar of Ledwardine and also the Deliverance Advisor- the exorcist in other words.She is a widow with a troublesome teenage daughter.The books are part supernatural tales and part murder mysteries. The characters are all believable and Rickman seems to know his folklore.Also I would like very much to visit Hereford Cathederal now..

Can I just get in with a completely off topic post?
⚽🥇Well done you Lionesses.
On topic......I'm am having a reading blitz on J M ..."
I have read some of those but a while ago. I visited Hereford Cathedral a few years ago and met probably the only other Burnley supporter in the city - she was a cathedral guide well into her retirement years who travelled back for every home match. I wonder if she is still there. Absolutely nothing to do with books of course!

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I think it was ..."
Thanks - looks like you are elected to keep me on the straight and narrow!
Greenfairy wrote: " have just read the first two of Phil Rickman's Merrily Watkins series, set in and around Hereford. Merrily is the vicar of Ledwardine and also the Deliverance Advisor- the exorcist ..."
I've read and enjoyed those.
I've read and enjoyed those.
@Robert
I hope you'll be on here to read this — I've just seen your post on WWR and remembered a cryptic comment on here. What's the problem with Facebook? Is it still the case? If you explain, maybe someone can suggest something.
I hope you'll be on here to read this — I've just seen your post on WWR and remembered a cryptic comment on here. What's the problem with Facebook? Is it still the case? If you explain, maybe someone can suggest something.

I hope you'll be on here to read this — I've just seen your post on WWR and remembered a cryptic comment on here. What's the problem with Facebook? Is it still the case? If you explain, may..."
I found a way to bypass Facebook and get back. Thanks for checking.

This question is prompted after watching/reading reviews of the new version of Persuasion. Suffice to say I am not tempted to watch it. I LOVE Jane Austen and cannot bear to have the spirit of the work trashed. If you want to use it as the plot of a film, fine, just don’t call it Persuasion.
For example, I really enjoyed the Bollywood version of Pride and Prejudice. They kept the general outline, and the essence of the book, modernised it, but it was never meant to be a film adaptation of the book.
Of course I realise I am talking about a film I have never seen, just clips, but what upsets me most about any of these modern adaptations is pasting modern manners and sensibilities on the likes of 18th c characters. Society even fifty years ago was so much more rigidly structured. Behaviour was different because people employed RESTRAINT and RESERVE, not emotional incontinence and an insistence on self. Apparently, as an example, the phrase “self-care” is used for Anne Elliot. That in itself should tell you all you need to know about the approach taken in this film.
PS I did learn something new to me. The difference between colour blind and colour conscious casting.

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Well someone has to support Burnley I suppose....
Storm wrote: "Film adaptations of books can range from faithful to fanciful. Which have you loved or hated? Why?..."
Here are a few films/TV adaptations I thought were as good as, or better than, the book:
Dr Zhivago (found the book in parts so boring as to be almost unreadable)
Far From The Madding Crowd (OK, I love David Lean colour, and Julie Christie)
Closely Observed Trains (atmospherics brilliant in both)
Nosferatu (the movie is way more shivery)
The Way We Live Now (book more complex but David Suchet in blazing form)
Band of Brothers (spell-binding Spielberg)
The Godfather (shlocky book, Brando for the ages)
Fellini Satyricon (decadence realized)
The 39 Steps (black & white images so memorable, book less so)
I would like to add Master and Commander for calling up the true spirit of Aubrey/Maturin but it is made up of bits out of more than one book.
There’s nothing very recent in my list, I notice.
I’m not sure I can name many movie/TV versions I hated. Most are decent enough. If a movie version is terrible I tend to dump it in the Useless category and soon stop thinking about it.
Here are a few films/TV adaptations I thought were as good as, or better than, the book:
Dr Zhivago (found the book in parts so boring as to be almost unreadable)
Far From The Madding Crowd (OK, I love David Lean colour, and Julie Christie)
Closely Observed Trains (atmospherics brilliant in both)
Nosferatu (the movie is way more shivery)
The Way We Live Now (book more complex but David Suchet in blazing form)
Band of Brothers (spell-binding Spielberg)
The Godfather (shlocky book, Brando for the ages)
Fellini Satyricon (decadence realized)
The 39 Steps (black & white images so memorable, book less so)
I would like to add Master and Commander for calling up the true spirit of Aubrey/Maturin but it is made up of bits out of more than one book.
There’s nothing very recent in my list, I notice.
I’m not sure I can name many movie/TV versions I hated. Most are decent enough. If a movie version is terrible I tend to dump it in the Useless category and soon stop thinking about it.

“The Dutch like to say, ‘Acting normal is crazy enough,’” said Ellen Verkoelen, a City Council member and Rotterdam leader of the 50Plus Party, which works on behalf of pensioners. “And we think that rich people are not acting normal. Here in Holland, we don’t believe that everybody can be rich the way people do in America, where the sky is the limit. We think ‘Be average.’ That’s good enough.”
Average works for me. 😊

Here are a few films/TV adaptations I thought were as good as, or better than, ..."
as a rule i am very wary of adaptions but i agree with Closely Observed Trains, both film and novel are landmarks of Czech art
i would also mention Parades End but for another reason, i loathed the book(though my grandfather loved it) but loved the drama adaption which was high art at its best


Here are a few films/TV adaptations I thought were as good as, or better than, ..."
Have to admit I never read Dracula, but Murnau's Nosferatu was really impressive.
I'd add:
The Third Man
Kiss of the Spiderwoman (only read the book because of the film)
With reservations: The Name of the Rose
There must be many many more.

Can't agree with you there AB. I loved the book and was therefore disappointed with the adaptation (I'm assuming you mean the TV one?). It finished after the third book and the last one, Last Post, is I think my favourite. But apart from that I felt all the main characters were miscast - but then I'd lived with my view of them for years.
But if we're allowing TV adaptations I did think Brideshead Revisited and The Jewel in the Crown by Paul Scott were spot on as good as the books.
And I notice Russell mentions Master and Commander. I'm in the process of re-reading the whole series - my third time through - and the other night I was having a solitary meal when I noticed that M&C was on TV. I joined it in the middle of the final battle (with the Acheron I think). I always glibly read through the sea battles but this really hit home with how violent they are, deaths, limbs lost, swords, cutlasses, rifles in the maintops, bodies being unceremoniously slung overboard in the midst of battle. And this is what the sailors and marines were there for. Very few deaths by drowning as the idea was to take the other ship not destroy it. It really brought home what I think even Patrick O'Brian cannot describe in its absolute horror.

What impressed me in comparing Hitchcock’s The 39 Steps to Buchan’s novel is that the book struck me as an exceptionally chaste “boy’s own adventure” type story, whereas in almost every element from the novel that made it into the film a strongly suggestive sexual element was added – from the sexy female spy that attaches herself to Richard Hannay in the opening scenes (in the novel it’s a male) to his sharing a bed handcuffed to Madeline Carol (a character not in the book).
The one element in the novel that I felt didn’t come across in the film was Hannay’s terror at being hunted from the air by airplane. I have the suspicion Hitchcock felt the same was and wanted to more than compensate for this shortcoming with the airplane scene in North by Northwest.

I'll think a bit about this. In the meantime, I'll recommend the book Double Exposure: Fiction Into Film.
One adaptation I hated was One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - I thought the film managed to eliminate everything that made the novel unique and unforgettable, which was centered in its being told from the subjective POV of Chief Bromden. My own adaptation would have been more like an adult version of Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, combining live action with Looney Tunes-type animation.

Storm wrote: "Film adaptations of books can range from faithful to fanciful. Which have you loved or hated? Why?..."
This has given rise to a good discussion, but maybe it would have been nice in the Films thread?
This has given rise to a good discussion, but maybe it would have been nice in the Films thread?

Can't agree ..."
it might be that cos i disliked the book i was suprised to watch it and think, should i read it again?

Love that marine air! I may even have to get out a sweatshirt for Thursday. What an improvement.
On the down side, during my annual furnace cleaning, I was told it's time to replace - guess I'll have to look into something that both heats and cools.

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or if that doesn't work - https://crippen-and-landru.myshopify....
Note - they are a small publisher.

(already positively reviewed, almost certainly by CCC)
This is the fifth in the Wyndham and Banerjee series, which is fast becoming my favourite current crime series. Beautifully written, with a pacy plot and engaging characters, this book also educates us about India in 1923, as the independence movement flexes its muscles. A murder takes place in Bombay - but unfortunately Suren (Banerjee) is suspected of the crime. He and Sam travel to Bombay to unravel the mystery and to prove Suren's innocence. (Period spellings are used.) The author expertly uses a twin narration, switching between Suren and Sam - which not only provides two insights on the action as it unfolds, but also two views of the British colonial venture as it enters its final phase. Both display degrees of disillusionment regarding the British involvement, whilst also having to make immense efforts to reduce the real possibility of inter-faith carnage.
Comparing this to earlier books in the series, unlike some it doesn't AFAIK include any real, specific, events - but no doubt similar disturbances did occur at the time. This allows a better balance, without the need for lengthy explanations of the riots described. Not only does the author have valuable comments to make about the politics of the time, though - quite a few clearly are intended to apply to the contemporary world as well:
"I should have known better. People always fit the facts to suit their own agenda."
"Having attended the most minor of minor public schools, the right accent had opened more than a few doors and given me access..."
The author is also very amusing, for example:
"The precise timing of a service or the protocol of a liturgy were usually set in stone, generally by some priests many centuries after the god or prophet in question had washed his hands of us all and headed back to the heavens."
"He was talking to a group of Englishmen, each armed with a drink and a cigar, the shield and sword of these latter-day crusaders in foreign parts."
Sam on Suren: "...getting him on to a plane was like persuading a dog into a bathtub."
So - strongly recommended. I hope to read many more volumes in the series.
Could anything be better? The only improvement I would like to see would be the inclusion of a glossary - I love languages, and enjoyed the way in which words from Bengali and - I think - other Indian languages are introduced here and there... whereas it's usually possible to guess the meaning, at times guessing only gives an approximation. I'd like to know exactly what is being said. A very minor quibble... I enjoyed this as much as anything so far in 2022.
MK wrote: "Robert wrote: "Unexpected turns in the Great Northwest's weather. It is overcast. We've had a steady breeze"
"Love that marine air! I may even have to get out a sweatshirt...."
Breezes! Sweatshirts! Maximum 35° here today. At the moment, (9.30 in the morning), I've got all the windows open, but there's not a breath of air. All the windows except my kitchen where I have to shut shutters and window at this time in hot weather as it gets the full force of the sun for a few hours.
"Love that marine air! I may even have to get out a sweatshirt...."
Breezes! Sweatshirts! Maximum 35° here today. At the moment, (9.30 in the morning), I've got all the windows open, but there's not a breath of air. All the windows except my kitchen where I have to shut shutters and window at this time in hot weather as it gets the full force of the sun for a few hours.
scarletnoir wrote: "The Shadows of Men by Abir Mukherjee
This is the fifth in the Wyndham and Banerjee series, which is fast becoming my favouri..."
I've got one of these waiting to be read - which seems to be my go-to response these days!
This is the fifth in the Wyndham and Banerjee series, which is fast becoming my favouri..."
I've got one of these waiting to be read - which seems to be my go-to response these days!

"Love that marine air! I may even have to get out a sweatshirt...."
Breeze..."
sticky in the shires too, nighttime low of 19c for third night running, the daytime heat is only mid 20s, though, so bearable but would love some cooler nights
this is turning out to be the warmest summer in my lifetime and the warmest year too, no sustained brutal temps but long spells of mid 20s weather and hosepipe bans in force now....everywhere looks like the med, dead grass and dust

https://www.theguardian.com/books/202...
Of the authors consulted, I have read 8 or so and rate only two highly (a couple more were OK). No-one has recommended my current favourite Abir Mukherjee, or another very good contemporary Ray Celestin. The Scots seem to be pretty much ignored - Ian Rankin, Stuart MacBride and Philip Kerr don't get a mention (unless I missed them)... no Elmore Leonard either... did Jim Thompson get one mention?
Of those who receive approval, Patricia Highsmith and Raymond Chandler score highly (no argument from me about those two) as well as a few lesser lights. I'm interested to see that Dennis Lehane gets quite a few mentions - I haven't tried him, but now maybe I will.

(already positively reviewed, almost certainly by CCC)
This is the fifth in the Wyndham and Banerjee series, which is fast becoming my favouri..."
Thanks for this.
Im behind you by two.. but looking forward to them.
The other excellent historical crime series that often gets praise here is the Celestin quartet.
Is there to be a sixth do you know?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/202......"
I’m reading and replying post by post.. so saw this only after I replied to your above, re Celestin.
I agree that article could have been a lot better.
Bill wrote: "Russell wrote: "The 39 Steps (black & white images so memorable, book less so)"...The one element in the novel that I felt didn’t come across in the film was Hannay’s terror at being hunted from the air by airplane...."
Thanks for reminding me of that. With the new phenomenon of aerial combat in the War, that might have seemed even more scary in 1915 when the book came out.
Thanks for reminding me of that. With the new phenomenon of aerial combat in the War, that might have seemed even more scary in 1915 when the book came out.
FrancesBurgundy wrote: "M & C...sea battles... It really brought home what I think even Patrick O'Brian cannot describe in its absolute horror."
Spot on. The movie gives a fearful idea of the wild blood lust that took over the crews when the fighting was hand to hand.
I'm resisting a re-read of the series, for the moment. I know that, once I start, domestic duties will be ignored, conversation will fall silent, and all other reading abandoned.
Spot on. The movie gives a fearful idea of the wild blood lust that took over the crews when the fighting was hand to hand.
I'm resisting a re-read of the series, for the moment. I know that, once I start, domestic duties will be ignored, conversation will fall silent, and all other reading abandoned.

Is there to be a sixth do you know?"
I don't know, but I hope so - Mukherjee seems to be on a roll, and this latest was the best yet in terms of sheer pace and readability. He needs to keep going.
I know that the excellent Philip Kerr published his first three Bernie Gunther novels between 1989-91 (as the 'Berlin Noir' trilogy), then nothing featuring Gunther until 2006 - he wrote a number of stand-alone novels in the interim. I don't know this for a fact, but I wonder if Kerr did that because the early Gunther novels didn't immediately reach a wide readership... sometimes, authors don't realise when they have hit on a great idea. Or, maybe, he just fancied a change...?
I do hope that the Wyndham and Banerjee series keeps on for a while yet, and that Mukherjee gains the readership his skills deserve. The 'Guardian' authors seemed pretty conservative in their choices, and long dead authors don't need recommendations - or the sales and income.

A Washington Post review of Shutter Island at the time of its publication made it sound like it would appeal to me. I picked it up when it came out in paperback and was extremely disappointed.
I can't even say whether it's a good book or not - I felt I was the victim of a bait-and-switch. It was sold to me by the reviewer as one sort of novel but turned out to be something else altogether that didn't work for me. I think a large part of the problem was the reviewer's decision to avoid anything that might conceivably be considered a spoiler.

What impressed me in comparing Hitchcock’s The 39 Steps to Buchan’s novel is that the book struck me as an exceptionally chaste “boy’s own adventure” type story, whereas in almost every element from the novel that made it into the film a strongly suggestive sexual element was added – from the sexy female spy that attaches herself to Richard Hannay in the opening scenes (in the novel it’s a male) to his sharing a bed handcuffed to Madeline Carroll (a character not in the book).
The one element in the novel that I felt didn’t come across in the film was Hannay’s terror at being hunted from the air by airplane. I have the suspicion Hitchcock felt the same was and wanted to more than compensate for this shortcoming with the airplane scene in North by Northwest."
I am reasonably sure that we studied (or read, anyway) the book during my first year at grammar school... unless it was 'Prester John'. Anyway - whichever it was, the book was decent enough but nothing special, and already seemed very old-fashioned even then (early 1960s). (Some of Buchan's attitudes have been criticised for various reasons - quite rightly I suspect, but it's a long time ago...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bu...
The Hitchcock, on the other hand, was great fun and remains the most entertaining of all the film or TV adaptations. It's hard to imagine the story now without the Madeline Carroll character, or the handcuffs! I've seen it several times...
Bill may be right that the aerial attack in 'North by Northwest' was suggested by his reading of 'The 39 Steps' - it's a brilliantly filmed sequence, planned minutely - Hitchcock (always? - often, anyway) used storyboards:
https://gointothestory.blcklst.com/ho...
Examples of attack from the air take place in several James Bond films, for example 'From Russia with Love':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQoAw...

In reading the various source material for Hitchcock’s films, it was interesting to see how an idea from one source shows up in a later film when technology or budget allows it. For instance, in The Lodger, Belloc Lowndes has a scene where a single relevant word stands out from otherwise unintelligible speech (in the novel’s case, the sound obscured by fog and distance). Two years after filming The Lodger, Hitchcock was able to use the effect in Blackmail, his first sound film.

Having spent some time discussing, and contemplating the legacy of Joyce’s ‘Ulysses’ last month with some of you here, I had a dream, in response to my various ponderings. It starred the visual backdrop of Susanna Clarke’s book, ‘Piranesi’, which I read a couple of months ago, and, in retrospect, it must have had quite an affect, in terms of atmosphere, on me. And this is combined here, with my rewriting of a famous poem, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson, ‘Ulysses’, to ulterior purposes…
I have concluded that ancient stories, and not so old ones, are there for anyone to rework, however they feel about the original. Some of you might be surprised, as I am, that I, in dreaming mode, have seemingly kidnapped their on-line identities and propelled them into another world… https://jediperson.files.wordpress.co...
Well, I hope no offence is taken, and perhaps they might even enjoy the unexpected adventure. Or at least that they might appreciate the medieval illuminated marginalia that I have attached to the adventure. I do like a ‘mash-up’ it seems…

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Of course we do!!!

A Washington Post review of Shutter Island at the ..."
All I remember is that I didn't get it and not only gave up on Shutter Island but also added Dennis Lehane to my DNR (Do Not Read) list. I am unforgiving. No second reading chances in this house.
scarletnoir wrote: "I'm interested to see that Dennis Lehane gets quite a few mentions - I haven't tried him, but now maybe I will..."
Unlike Bill and MK, I liked Shutter Island quite well, but I wouldn't advise you to start there. It's not very typical of his books.
If I remember correctly, the references in the article (or comments) were to the Kenzie and Gennaro (private investigators) series. I've been thinking recently of re-reading them. The first is A Drink Before the War. One of the later books in the series was made into a film: Gone, Baby, Gone.
Mystic River is another on the theme of books to films - it's a good book & film.
The Given Day is set in Boston at the end of World War I: Spanish flu, strikes, anarchists, black vs white ... Lots of interesting themes. I would say not completely successful, but readable.
Unlike Bill and MK, I liked Shutter Island quite well, but I wouldn't advise you to start there. It's not very typical of his books.
If I remember correctly, the references in the article (or comments) were to the Kenzie and Gennaro (private investigators) series. I've been thinking recently of re-reading them. The first is A Drink Before the War. One of the later books in the series was made into a film: Gone, Baby, Gone.
Mystic River is another on the theme of books to films - it's a good book & film.
The Given Day is set in Boston at the end of World War I: Spanish flu, strikes, anarchists, black vs white ... Lots of interesting themes. I would say not completely successful, but readable.

I think I got the idea behind the narrative twist, but thought it was a [Philip K] Dick move on Lehane's part.

However, reading offers transportation from the swampy, climate changed shires and this gentle novel of a 50 yo finding love late into widower-hood is so well constructed.
Benedetti also maintains a subtle, careful commentary on 1950s Uruguay, about to leave a comfortable era behind, with a state groaning under the pressure of its admirable social welfare system but endemic corruption. The state was running out of ways to maintain the south american "Switzerland" and within a decade, it would be riven by violence and then the descent into military rule
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I hope people aren't suffering too much from the heat - a thought for those in the Pacific NW. And a special thought for Lisa, we were all sorry to hear about your brother's health problems.
I've been reading and enjoying The Stories of Jane Gardam and I came across a passage in one of the stories that made me think of Justine/interwar.
from Telegony Of course, Justine would not have needed to ignore the Members Only sign!
And now for some themes which have come up over the past fortnight.
Long vs short
This was prompted by Storm reading Buddenbrooks: The Decline of a Family Sometimes writers may be being self-indulgent, a case in point being JK Rowling writing as Robert Galbraith.
Berkeley says: Greenfairy gives an excellent example: And I think scarletnoir has good concluding words on the subject: Learning from our reading
Storm: Georg: CCCubbon: She gives the example of the Thora Gudmundsdottir series by Yrsa Sigurdardottir. Another example of this is given by Greenfairy: Unforgettable?
And lastly, Bill boldly states He goes on to explain: Happy August reading to all of you!