Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

I posted the first part of this in The Nazca Lines thread, but thought it was worth posting as a subject in its own right, seeing as there are many theories, and much evidence, that we had flying machines and/or rockets a long time ago.

The Middle Ages Rocket:

In The Sibiu Manuscript from the Middle Ages (dated about 1570 A.D) it describes a three-tiered, solid-fuelled space rocket- much the same as the modern ones launched by NASA. Here are some illustrations from the manuscript:

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/images2...

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/images2...

Now, this rocket (invented by Conrad Haas) was actually launched in 1555, in Sibiu, Romania, and witnessed by thousands of people. The experiment was deemed successful.

And the Sibiu Manuscript has lots of other information about artillery and ballistics, as well as a detailed report of a 'flying javelin' with a considerable effective range. There's even mention of a 'little house' that could be propelled into the air by a rocket.

From The Mysterious Unknown:

"Haas' rocket was built in two tiers with different diameters, one fitting inside the other. The rocket (that was launched) had three tiers.
Solid fuel was used in both types and was made up of specially prepared powdery substances, though these could be replaced by a mixture whose base was ethyl acetate ammoniac, with other chemical components. The manuscript makes it clear that ethyl acetate was obtained from vinegar and alcohol; the ammonia was distilled from urine.
Conrad Haas also used Delta wings, which have become a modern solution to the problem of steering and stabilising rockets.
The list of inventions mentioned in the Sibiu Manuscript is as follows:

two-tier ignition rocket 1529
three-tier rocket 1529
rocket fuel 1536
tests for type of ignition needed in multi-tiered rockets 1555
use of delta-wings for stabilisation 1555.

All these details...come from the best possible sources: Professor Doru Todericiu, the discoverer of the manuscript...and from the Romanian Historical Review."



Then there are things like the Black Knight satellite-

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

-that orbits our Earth and which no-one claims responsibility for.

And I guess Erich von Daniken is the most famous for showing ancient structures and objects as depicting 'spacemen'. The Lid of Palenque is the most famous: the stone lid of the Mayan Lord Pacal's sarcophagus.

http://www.ovaltech.ca/ovlpics/tombli...

Of course, it could also depict his journey into the afterlife, but it certainly looks like he's at some controls of a machine.
Perhaps just a variation on things like the ancient Egyptian's mythical solar boats that took them to the afterlife; but then they themselves could be depictions of sky/space travel...

Harry wrote: "I posted the first part of this in The Nazca Lines thread, but thought it was worth posting as a subject in its own right, seeing as there are many theories, and much evidence, that we had flying m..."

That all news to me!

Glad to be of service! :)

Harry wrote: "Glad to be of service! :)"

Whitewolf is on a roll and the snout is busy finding all sorts of unusual things...

Sorry, some of those links I provided were broken. Now fixed.

Harry, I couldn't get a couple of the links to work...

ovaltech and goodreads

Should all be good now.

Fancy looking at some examples of really old flying machines? The link below is quite a good one, with some good pictures of these discoveries:

1) What looks like a very clear sketch of an aeroplane that was found in 1898 in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt and was later dated as having been created near 200 BCE.

2) Gold aeroplane-looking trinkets that were found in an area covering Central America and coastal areas of South America, estimated to belong to a period between 500 and 800 CE, but since they are made from gold, accurate dating is impossible and based essentially on stratigraphy which may be deceptive. However, we can safely say that these gold objects are more than 1000 years old.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm

More examples, when I find the time, to come.

Here's a hieroglyph carving from the 3000 year old Abydos Temple (a place of pilgrimage for the ancient Egyptians' Cult of Osiris), which depicts what could easily be helicopters/flying machines.

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/ima...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ima...

The Vaimanika Shastra from 1923 is a text about:

"the science involved with the study, design, and manufacturing of airflight-capable machines, or the techniques of operating aircraft and rocketry within the atmosphere.It (was) claimed to be obtained by mental channeling, about construction of vimānas, the 'chariots of the Gods'."

However, unlike the 1555 rocket, under scientific scrutiny, it would appear the various drawings and writings in this manuscript aren't up to scratch.

"A study by aeronautical and mechanical engineering at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore in 1974 concluded that the aircraft described in the text were “poor concoctions” and that the author showed complete lack of understanding of aeronautics."

Quotes from http://www.utaot.com/2012/09/22/the-v...

I don't know much at all about this example, but it still seems to be highly regarded for old rocket/flying machine theories, despite evidence to the contrary. I'll have to read the manuscript before I can come to any conclusion.

Read the whole of the English translation of Vaimanika Shastra here:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vim...

Images of the designs for the flying machines from the book:

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-...

http://www.utaot.com/wp-content/uploa...

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7t...

Rocket Man!

This is one of the topics that fascinates me a lot... imagine when you are kid and watching all these things on TV, I mean watching Mahabharata and Ramayana.

Have never researched this subject at all. Know nothing about it, but sounds intriguing...

James Morcan wrote: "Have never researched this subject at all. Know nothing about it, but sounds intriguing..."

It is intriguing but I find very difficult to believe that such things can fly. Recently there was a conference of Aeronautical in one of the biggest tech institute in India and there was a man who kept speaking about ancient plans and engineers kept laughing in their head. They are good designs, in your leisure time you can design something more advance and maybe our future generations will think we used to fly them, but there is no evidence.

So why would the Ancients have gone to the trouble to build a rocket if not to launch it?

Saw a referral from this page to my site ovaltech.ca and thought I would throw in my opinion.

About the pascal tomb lid: What most people fail to see is that there is a distinct difference between the two halves of the image.
One is much denser and darker, the other much more open and light.
There is much more to this image, than people realize, clues to a much broader understanding of the world we live in.

Looking for evidence of rockets and aeronautics in the past is all well and good, but what if ancients had technology for transport, which was neither rocket nor 'air'plane. It is a big assumption to think rockets and aeroplanes are the only method of travel through the air and space.

There were technologies in the past, advanced technologies, which could achieve transportation, levitation, work stone, heal and other sciences we today have little to no comprehension of. Our way today, is not the only way. Technology today, is not the only kind of high technology. Mastery of other fields of science we have generally ignored, can lead to equally remarkable results as rockets and aeroplanes.

As an example for those who wish to go down the rabbit hole of ancient technology, I highly recommend researching the ancient artifacts known as 'gold pectorals'. Metal disk worn on the body, the archaeologist's call ancient armor, except gold is an exceedingly poor and expensive armor. The reality if one digs deep enough( and google is not going to help much ) is far more fantastic and difficult to believe.
Example: http://ovaltech.ca/downloads/Gold_Pec...
One was made specifically for a Queen of Spain.

Looking for evidence in the past, of things we have today, is like looking for a car in a pyramid. There is no point. However, this does not in any way imply the ancients did not have some form of highly developed technology.

Intriguing summary that makes sense, GravityGuru.
How sure are you that ancient aliens were once on this planet?
30% sure? 50% 70%? 100%??

GravityGuru wrote: "About the pascal tomb lid: What most people fail to see is that there is a distinct difference between the two halves of the image.
One is much denser and darker, the other much more open and light.
There is much more to this image, than people realize, clues to a much broader understanding of the world we live in.
"

Check out The Mayan Prophecies: Unlocking the Secrets of a Lost Civilization by Maurice Coterell and Adrian Gilbert for unique discoveries about Pacal's tomb lid - Coterell discovered plenty of hidden images in the design - a lot of which come about from mirror-imaging and overlapping the design; as well as a lot of other new discoveries about it.

A Little Known Aquinas Manuscript in Romania (Sibiu, Brukenthal Library, Ms 608) https://www.academia.edu/37710520/A_L...

The 500-Year-Old Sibiu Manuscript Describes How To Built A Multi-Stage Rocket https://www.disclose.tv/the-500-year-...

The idea of knowing that the present had been predicted years ago has always been a propelling thought. What if there was solid evidence that an instance of past-to-present prediction could true, and that it lies in ancient writings that were discovered in 1961.

The Manuscripts That Defy Time
The Sibiu manuscript is known to have spoken about liquid fuel and multi-stage rockets along with their construction. A lot of people are skeptical when it comes to hearing things that contradict everything they've ever known about their present but much to their skepticism, the 450-page manuscripts were found by a professor over sixty years ago in Romania and do in fact exist.

YOUTUBE: The 500 Year Old Manuscript That Describes Multi Stage Rockets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-RI...