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We Have Always Lived in the Castle
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message 1: by Jayme, Moderator (last edited Sep 25, 2023 05:13AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jayme | 4519 comments One of the group reads for October is We Have Always Lived in the Castle by Shirley Jackson Please discuss the book in this thread.

Odette will be leading the discussion.

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1. have read the book before or during October 2023.
2. discussed it in this thread. Discussion must be more than "I read the book and I liked it". Discussion requires something more substantial and analytical of what you read, for example, thoughts, opinions, impact it had on you, what was your favorite part, was it what you expected it to be like etc. You may also like to review the book and post a link to the review in this thread. Please refer to our group spoiler policy for further information.
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In addition to this, the group reads are meant to be a "read along" so it is preferable that you discuss the book as you read rather than wait until you've finished the book.

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Happy reading!


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Kristie | 19148 comments I read this one a while back and enjoyed it. I'll be checking in on the discussion.


message 3: by Jayme, Moderator (last edited Sep 26, 2023 04:31AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jayme | 4519 comments I read this one also and was so taken with the writing and story that I read several other Shirly Jackson novels. I think she is the master of horror and suspense.
When I was a kid there was a short movie based on The Lottery that I saw in school (they would never show that movie today) and I still think of it when I pick up a lottery ticket even though it is not the same thing.

She has a collection of short stories called Dark Tales Dark Tales by Shirley Jackson that I haven't read yet, but would be fitting for October. There is a silhouette of a cat on the cover and I will accept it as a black cat if any one wants to read it also for a stamp.


message 4: by Odette (last edited Sep 30, 2023 02:54PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments I am looking forward to this book. It should be an interesting read and discussion. I have been reading about Shirley Jackson, who is a new author for me.


Katrisa | 4460 comments I have read this one before and it is one of my favs for Halloween. I will be reading with you guys. I think this book will generate some good discussion.


Vicki | 1538 comments I am excited to read this one. I read The Haunting of Hill House with the group one year and loved it. All the copies were taken at my library but I found this one that's available: Novels & Stories: The Lottery / The Haunting of Hill House / We Have Always Lived in the Castle / Other Stories and Sketches I will definitely read "The Lottery" as well. Not sure if I'll have time for any others.


message 7: by Odette (last edited Oct 01, 2023 04:34PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments I have done some research, read the introduction and first chapter. It is Shirley Jackson's last book, written and set in 1962,

I have been looking forward to this book. I feel is going to be an enjoyable, but slow read for me as there seems to be a lot to absorb. I am planning to read a chapter every couple of days, do a short summary and put up a couple of questions to consider. As we all read at a different pace and start at different times, please add your thoughts as you progress.

In the first chapter, the village and the Blackwood family are introduced, told from the narrator's (Mary Katherine Blackwood known as Merricat) point of view, She begins her story, starting some time earlier (going back in time), on the day she brought home the library books that still sit on her shelf, long overdue.

(view spoiler)

This chapter for me raised a number of questions, and am sure there are plenty of others.
Why does the village appear grey to Merricat?
Why does Merricat go into Stella's Cafe, when it is not a necessary task?
How does Merricat cope with the attitude of the villagers?
No doubt will find out later in the book why the villagers have this attitude.


Sharon Hopper | 2422 comments I plan on starting this tomorrow. Looking forward to it!


message 9: by Sandra, Moderator (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sandra (sanlema) | 11261 comments Jayme wrote: "I read this one also and was so taken with the writing and story that I read several other Shirly Jackson novels. I think she is the master of horror and suspense.
When I was a kid there was a shor..."


The Lottery is one of the best short stories I have read in my life. So powerful and so short. Amazing.


Grainne Coughlan | 1297 comments I have downloaded this book and I am going to join in the discussion.


Katrisa | 4460 comments I am also starting tomorrow. I already owned the audio but I saw it on kindle for like 2 bucks so I'm going to read it that way this time


message 12: by Grainne (last edited Oct 02, 2023 07:21AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Grainne Coughlan | 1297 comments I have read up to chapter 1.
In the first pages, we meet Merricat who lives with her sister Constance. (view spoiler)

(view spoiler)

The village would appear grey to Merricat (view spoiler)

There's a strong tension between (view spoiler)


message 13: by Sharon (last edited Oct 02, 2023 01:55PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sharon Hopper | 2422 comments I have finished through Chapter 1. So far, I love the writing. It takes me back to The Lottery which is short but doesn’t seem to be. Jackson has such a marvelous way with language.

Mary Catherine (Merricat): (view spoiler) spoiler>

All the people are gray and without color (except Stella) (view spoiler)

The game (view spoiler)

Bullies! (view spoiler)


message 14: by Odette (last edited Oct 02, 2023 02:51PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments Grainne wrote: "I have read up to chapter 1.

Grainie, I agree it is a very unnerving that Merricat (view spoiler)

In the next paragraph (view spoiler)

I am not sure about Uncle Julian. (view spoiler)

One of the ways I think Merricat copes with the attitude of the villages (view spoiler).

This book is fantastic. There is so much to it and to discuss.


Marnie (marnie19) | 3259 comments I have read chapter 1. I am enjoying the writing. This is my first Shirley Jacksonbook and she conveys emotion very well. I was tense reading about Merricat’s trip into town and curious about (view spoiler)


message 16: by Sharon (last edited Oct 03, 2023 02:30PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sharon Hopper | 2422 comments Today, I read Chapter 2. (We are leaving on vacation tomorrow so my entries might be a bit sporadic this week.)

What an odd family! (view spoiler)

Luncheon and tea: (view spoiler)


message 17: by Odette (last edited Oct 03, 2023 02:24PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments Sharon wrote: "Today, I read Chapter 2. (We are leaving on vacation tomorrow so my entries might be a bit sporadic this week.)

Sharon, have a great vacation.

I have just finished Chapter 2, which was a long chapter with a lot in it.

Merricat's mother (view spoiler)

Visit by Helen Clarke and Mrs Wright (view spoiler)


Nistha | 997 comments I finished Chapter 1. Though this book looks like a short read, I think there is a lot to unpack. I think I will avoid reading spoilers as I want to get the scare out of the story. It has already started with a very spooky vibe.


Marnie (marnie19) | 3259 comments I read chapter 2 and wow was there a lot going on.

My opening assumptions were wrong (view spoiler)


Katrisa | 4460 comments I am through ch 2. (view spoiler)


message 21: by Odette (last edited Oct 04, 2023 02:27PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments I have started on Chapter 3, which is much shorter.
The author is able to fit a lot into her writing Some things are not so obvious and are like clues that are not all relevant. A couple of more things in Chapter 2 caught my attention
1. Uncle Julian (view spoiler)
2. Mericat (view spoiler)


Katrisa | 4460 comments I finished ch 3 (view spoiler)


Marnie (marnie19) | 3259 comments I have finished chapter 3 and have a question about Merricat.

(view spoiler)


Odette (odman) | 997 comments Marnie wrote: "I have finished chapter 3 and have a question about Merricat.

Marie, that is an interesting question. (view spoiler)


message 25: by Odette (last edited Oct 05, 2023 02:38PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments I have finished Chapters 3 and 4.

Chapter 3. (view spoiler)

Chapter 4. (view spoiler)

As this is just a summary, I will add some more thoughts tonight.


Marnie (marnie19) | 3259 comments I have finished chapter 6

Charles (view spoiler)


message 27: by Odette (last edited Oct 06, 2023 01:45PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments Chapter 3 (view spoiler)
Chapter 4 (view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments I have read chapter 1

I like what Grainne said about the grey (view spoiler)

Re the game; I agree with Sharon and found that very relatable.

Merricat (view spoiler)

Laughter(view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments The Lottery.

I had planned to read this short story also but looking into it, it is part of of the anthology The Lottery or, The Adventures of James Harris and apparently the stories might have a connection. This James Harris makes appearances in a few of the stories and in chapter 1 of WHALITC we have mention of a Johnny Harris that made a hand print in the town hall and the (view spoiler) An Easter egg maybe?


Sharon Hopper | 2422 comments I have just finished Chapters 4 and 5

Chapter 4: (view spoiler)

Chapter 5: (view spoiler)


Marnie (marnie19) | 3259 comments I finished. There is a note after the ending that talked about the symbolism of this story etc. I did not see any of it while I was reading it so I’m feeling less academic now lol.


Katrisa | 4460 comments I just finished ch 7. (view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments Marnie wrote: "I finished. There is a note after the ending that talked about the symbolism of this story etc. I did not see any of it while I was reading it so I’m feeling less academic now lol."

Sometimes those can seem out to lunch though too. I bet some authors would be surprised to see what ppl dissect out of their books.


Vicki | 1538 comments Marnie wrote: "I finished. There is a note after the ending that talked about the symbolism of this story etc. I did not see any of it while I was reading it so I’m feeling less academic now lol."

I should add that I hope you will share some with us. I don't think my copy has any notes or introduction.

I have read Chapter 2 now and was delighted to get some answers
(view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments Odette wrote: "Sharon wrote: "Today, I read Chapter 2. (We are leaving on vacation tomorrow so my entries might be a bit sporadic this week.)

Sharon, have a great vacation.

I have just finished Chapter 2, which..."


Sugar (view spoiler)

Milk(view spoiler)

5 months (view spoiler)


Marnie (marnie19) | 3259 comments Vicki wrote: "Marnie wrote: "I finished. There is a note after the ending that talked about the symbolism of this story etc. I did not see any of it while I was reading it so I’m feeling less academic now lol."
..."


Some notes from The Afterword

(view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments Chapter 3 (view spoiler)


Odette (odman) | 997 comments Marnie wrote: "Vicki wrote: "Marnie wrote: "I finished. There is a note after the ending that talked about the symbolism of this story etc. I did not see any of it while I was reading it so I’m feeling less acade..."

Marnie, thanks. I also did not make those connections. The kindle version has an Introduction but no Afterword. (view spoiler).
The introduction makes more sense reading it afterwards.


message 39: by Odette (last edited Oct 08, 2023 02:32PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments Vicki wrote: "Odette wrote:


In Chapter 2: (view spoiler)


Odette (odman) | 997 comments I have now read Chapters 5, 6 and 7.

It took me a while to get into the book and now finding it easier reading.

Cousin Charles: (view spoiler)


Sharon Hopper | 2422 comments We had a long drive home today, so I finished the book, including the afterward. When I got to a certain point, I couldn’t put it down.

(view spoiler)


message 42: by Odette (last edited Oct 11, 2023 02:39PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments I have finished the book now, (view spoiler)

Chapter 8 - (view spoiler)
Chapters 9 and 10 - (view spoiler)


Grainne Coughlan | 1297 comments I have read up to chapter 2

Uncle Julian (view spoiler)

The dialogue between (view spoiler)


message 44: by Grainne (last edited Oct 11, 2023 08:04AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Grainne Coughlan | 1297 comments That's an interesting idea that Sharon has about the game. (view spoiler)

Odette's comment about the sugar made me think of the nursery rhyme (view spoiler)

Vicky, I like the nickname too. I think it's very clever and maybe suggests that the local villagers (view spoiler)

I didn't really have any views on the milk pitcher until I read all of your spoilers up to chapter 2. (view spoiler)


Nistha | 997 comments I finished it today.

(view spoiler)


Katrisa | 4460 comments I finished the book.
(view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments Finished chapter 5
(view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments Uncle Julian and Merricat(view spoiler)


message 49: by Odette (last edited Oct 13, 2023 11:00PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Odette (odman) | 997 comments Katrisa wrote: "I finished the book.
[spoilers removed]"


Merricat (view spoiler)
At the end of Chapter 7 (view spoiler)


Vicki | 1538 comments I have finished chapter 7 and have hit that momentum I don't want to stop reading. (view spoiler)


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